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10-09-2007, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
I explained my decision in a business meeting. I don't normally discuss "UPC issues" with my people, but, since THIS issue was of such a nature that I decided to drop my license, I felt like they needed to know.
I gave them my personal history (I was opposed to it BEFORE I sought license -- the UPC took a stand against it BEFORE I sought license -- I never would have sought license had they decided otherwise). I wanted them to know that I would no longer be affiliated with the UPCI. I provided them the opportunity to choose how they wised to respond.
I live in a metro area. There are MANY other churches within driving distance, some of which are (in my opinion) VERY liberal. The saints I pastor are staying put. NONE of them want to leave because of an affiliation (or lack thereof). They are part of this church because of the church -- NOT because of the UPCI. We will continue to be who we are and what we are. The card in my pocket is totally irrelevant to our existence. They understand that, so my decision has no bearing on their membership here.
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Is there another organization out there as of now, that teaches to stay away from TV?
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10-09-2007, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
I explained my decision in a business meeting. I don't normally discuss "UPC issues" with my people, but, since THIS issue was of such a nature that I decided to drop my license, I felt like they needed to know.
I gave them my personal history (I was opposed to it BEFORE I sought license -- the UPC took a stand against it BEFORE I sought license -- I never would have sought license had they decided otherwise). I wanted them to know that I would no longer be affiliated with the UPCI. I provided them the opportunity to choose how they wised to respond.
I live in a metro area. There are MANY other churches within driving distance, some of which are (in my opinion) VERY liberal. The saints I pastor are staying put. NONE of them want to leave because of an affiliation (or lack thereof). They are part of this church because of the church -- NOT because of the UPCI. We will continue to be who we are and what we are. The card in my pocket is totally irrelevant to our existence. They understand that, so my decision has no bearing on their membership here.
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I can'timagine why it would be otherwise.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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10-09-2007, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Esther
With all the talk of churches pulling out of the organization, I wonder which side the saint will follow.
Will they stay with their church and whatever the pastor chooses OR look for something else OR start something else?
For me the most important thing is to be in a church that is a true worshipping church. That is most important.
I have a friend that had a vision of churches moving from one side of a red line to the other. The Lord showed my friend that He was separating the true worhipping churches from those that are not, AND that He was drawing His Spirit away from those that are NOT true worshipping churches.
So for ME I only am interested in going to a TRUE WORSHIPPING church!
What about you?
Where do you stand?
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In speaking about conservative church saints, most are too dependent upon the pastor to leave. They're more apt to stick with the pastor than mods or libs would be. They've been spoon-fed so much that without that kind of conservative structure, they'd feel out of place. They need to be told what they can or can't do; where they can or can't go, etc.
So I doubt many, if any, saints from these churches will leave.
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10-09-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Amos
I can'timagine why it would be otherwise.
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Well with all due respect, as much as I love my pastor, if I felt he was going the wrong direction, I would not follow.
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.
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10-09-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve
In speaking about conservative church saints, most are too dependent upon the pastor to leave. They're more apt to stick with the pastor than mods or libs would be. They've been spoon-fed so much that without that kind of conservative structure, they'd feel out of place. They need to be told what they can or can't do; where they can or can't go, etc.
So I doubt many, if any, saints from these churches will leave.
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I am conservative and I know how to read the bible for myself and even
parse from the Greek text thanks to classes from an apostolic bible teacher.
I appreciate a pastor who takes a stand.You don't have to be a robot to stand
for holiness and separation.I totally disagree with your post.
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10-09-2007, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Trouvere
I am conservative and I know how to read the bible for myself and even
parse from the Greek text thanks to classes from an apostolic bible teacher.
I appreciate a pastor who takes a stand.You don't have to be a robot to stand
for holiness and separation.I totally disagree with your post.
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Although what you say for yourself is true, not ALL will do it. Many are too lazy to read and study the Bible, they only believe what they are told.
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.
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10-09-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Esther
Although what you say for yourself is true, not ALL will do it. Many are too lazy to read and study the Bible, they only believe what they are told.
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Sister Esther I don't know alot like that and I attend a huge assembly.I can't ever remember meeting such a person either.Most apostolics I know have
found truth and go to churches that teach what they have found.Come out here for a visit we are in revival.
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10-09-2007, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Trouvere
Sister Esther I don't know alot like that and I attend a huge assembly.I can't ever remember meeting such a person either.Most apostolics I know have
found truth and go to churches that teach what they have found.Come out here for a visit we are in revival.
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I found most have been raised in the church and haven't bothered to study for themselves.
But there are always exceptions.
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.
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10-09-2007, 11:16 AM
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Hello AFF!
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Location: Amarillo, Tx.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther
With all the talk of churches pulling out of the organization, I wonder which side the saint will follow.
Will they stay with their church and whatever the pastor chooses OR look for something else OR start something else?
For me the most important thing is to be in a church that is a true worshipping church. That is most important.
I have a friend that had a vision of churches moving from one side of a red line to the other. The Lord showed my friend that He was separating the true worhipping churches from those that are not, AND that He was drawing His Spirit away from those that are NOT true worshipping churches.
So for ME I only am interested in going to a TRUE WORSHIPPING church!
What about you?
Where do you stand?
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So I guess the lord will be leaving the UPCI too????
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10-09-2007, 11:20 AM
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I am loyal to our church and its leadership. Not an organization. Whether or not our church belongs to the UPCI isn't even part of my decision making process.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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