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Old 10-08-2007, 08:57 PM
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I wonder how many house meetings have shut down?
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Come on elder you should read it, in many ways validates the whole concept of soul winning that many of you guys practice, get out there and get into people lives.
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:59 PM
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I wonder how many house meetings have shut down?
By the way I don't think she validates one model after another, but the one quick fix model that people think is going to solve all of their problems.
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Come on elder you should read it, in many ways validates the whole concept of soul winning that many of you guys practice, get out there and get into people lives.
Forgive me I did not read the article only what you posted from it.
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Old 10-08-2007, 09:03 PM
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Forgive me I did not read the article only what you posted from it.
It seems there was a backlash against the whole professional, production driven, lights, fog, and professional worship music that many of your peers hated and look down upon, it seems that this article gives them some amunition.
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By the way I am not against worship services or doing our best in this area, but using it as opposed to getting out and involving ourselves in people's lives, that's all.

I love Vineyard Music group and Hillsong Stuff.
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The upshot? For all the money, time, and effort we've spent on cultural relevance—and that includes culturally relevant worship—it seems we came through the last 15 years with a significant net loss in churchgoers, proliferation of megachurches and all.
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Maybe it is not the worship which involves the church members participation in actually worshipping God.

Maybe it's the message within the message from the pulpits after the worship service is over.

Such as real meaningful sermons and how to live are no longer active in the holmillies in today's churches.

I am confused how all these saints are going to get rich by sowing a seed.

When so many of them have such bitterness, envy, strife, confusion, anger, stress, dispair, lust and fear.

Before the new money men preach their sermon on sow the seed.

They need to till the field of the hearts within thier churches with some good old down to earth, "Sinners in the hands of an angry God"

Not the periodic table of actions towards measuring up to a plan or obedience tight rope.

But to the old fashion sins of envy, strife, anger, lust, bitterness and so go all of us who are no more than, Sinners who have fallen down but got up...

It's not the worship it's the tone of the pulpit.

But there are no prophets as we like to call them today, that are warning the ministers of this generation that they are off course.

Keith my comments are not directed at you...
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