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09-23-2007, 09:31 PM
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Is that a good thing? I mean you wouldn't look forward to seeing Brother's walk?
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Who me?
C'mon EB, you know I "follow peace with all men!"
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09-23-2007, 10:32 PM
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Who me?
C'mon EB, you know I "follow peace with all men!"
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Personally I wouldn't think it would be good for any Brothers to leave the United Pentecostal Church International. I think a closer growing together on the conference floor would help iron this problem out. I think advertising on television is not including the smaller churches so I think it is an issue only pertaining to larger churches and that should embarrass those larger churches because they are just self serving themselves and not the rest of their Brothers with this vote. It's sad that so many Brothers will argue the need for television within the UPCI when it will never benefit the whole organization, but ONLY a few larger churches.
United Pentecostal Brothers should be fervently seeking reconciliation with those who would want to leave. We should all be in prayer for the voting and that no matter what the turn out all will stay united and NOT divided.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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09-23-2007, 10:39 PM
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Personally I wouldn't think it would be good for any Brothers to leave the United Pentecostal Church International. I think a closer growing together on the conference floor would help iron this problem out. I think advertising on television is not including the smaller churches so I think it is an issue only pertaining to larger churches and that should embarrass those larger churches because they are just self serving themselves and not the rest of their Brothers with this vote. It's sad that so many Brothers will argue the need for television within the UPCI when it will never benefit the whole organization, but ONLY a few larger churches.
United Pentecostal Brothers should be fervently seeking reconciliation with those who would want to leave. We should all be in prayer for the voting and that no matter what the turn out all will stay united and NOT divided.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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EB, what do you do when they refuse to reconcile unless capitulation is involved. (Serious question, no malice involved here.)
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09-23-2007, 10:46 PM
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Allowing a pastor to advertise his/her church on television or to broadcast services on television does not force all others to advertise or broadcast.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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09-23-2007, 10:49 PM
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EB, what do you do when they refuse to reconcile unless capitualtion is involved. (Serious question, no malice involved here.)
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I think that would be terrible, and that is why all should be focused in working this issue out and conserving the unity of the fellowship. Let’s face it this is wrong if it will divide Brothers. It should be unity of the fellowship and winning souls as a unified effort. We have not one Brazilian One God work in South Florida, what would the Brothers accomplish by walking off if the vote goes not their way? Every man on the conference floor should consider themselves and their Brothers as they make their decisions on this issue. There is so much to get done and television is just muddying the waters, it's not worth it.
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Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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09-23-2007, 10:51 PM
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I think that would be terrible, and that is why all should be focused in working this issue out and conserving the unity of the fellowship. Let’s face it this is wrong if it will divide Brothers. It should be unity of the fellowship and winning souls as a unified effort. We have not one Brazilian One God work in South Florida, what would the Brothers accomplish by walking off if the vote goes not their way? Every man on the conference floor should consider themselves and their Brothers as they make their decisions on this issue. There is so much to get done and television is just muddying the waters, it's not worth it.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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But Friend, you realize that you are placing blame squarely on the shoulders of advertising proponents, correct?
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09-23-2007, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Personally I wouldn't think it would be good for any Brothers to leave the United Pentecostal Church International. I think a closer growing together on the conference floor would help iron this problem out. I think advertising on television is not including the smaller churches so I think it is an issue only pertaining to larger churches and that should embarrass those larger churches because they are just self serving themselves and not the rest of their Brothers with this vote. It's sad that so many Brothers will argue the need for television within the UPCI when it will never benefit the whole organization, but ONLY a few larger churches.
United Pentecostal Brothers should be fervently seeking reconciliation with those who would want to leave. We should all be in prayer for the voting and that no matter what the turn out all will stay united and NOT divided.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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I see you have pulled up the judgment seat. What makes you think the "Big Churches" are wanting it for just themselves? Could it be possible they want to reach the lost and see this as a usable tool? If a "big church" reached a lost person via TV and they in turn reach out to family and friends where there are "small churches", wouldn't it benefit those "small churches"? Besides large or small aren't we all the Church and what helps one helps all?
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09-23-2007, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I think that would be terrible, and that is why all should be focused in working this issue out and conserving the unity of the fellowship. Let’s face it this is wrong if it will divide Brothers. It should be unity of the fellowship and winning souls as a unified effort. We have not one Brazilian One God work in South Florida, what would the Brothers accomplish by walking off if the vote goes not their way? Every man on the conference floor should consider themselves and their Brothers as they make their decisions on this issue. There is so much to get done and television is just muddying the waters, it's not worth it.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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How many would have to be reached by TV for it to be worth it to you?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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09-23-2007, 10:54 PM
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Allowing a pastor to advertise his/her church on television or to broadcast services on television does not force all others to advertise or broadcast.
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Sam it's not about that, it's about only larger wealthier churches being able to afford advertising on television. It's about smaller churches not being able to be involved due to small budgets. It's not fair. All will be making a decision for only a few to profit from the vote.
Why risk a problem with others in the group over this?
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09-23-2007, 10:55 PM
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Sam it's not about that, it's about only larger wealthier churches being able to afford advertising on television. It's about smaller churches not being able to be involved due to small budgets. It's not fair. All will be making a decision for only a few to profit from the vote.
Why risk a problem with others in the group over this?
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I can advertise on local cable for $5.oo per spot. I don't see how that is so far out of our budget.
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