A Personal Message to all of My Conservative Friends

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view, whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic... producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!... In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

Help me understand you...are you saying the information age is serving as a cure to the "Borg Mentality"? :sshhh

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Say what you want – conservatives are falling by the way side – as well as their forums.. as information is exchanged – ultra cons are slowly eroding away

Patently Ridiculous.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Patently Ridiculous.

Does this mean shiny, without the need to polish?

[Tech]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

1. One man's political spin is another man's viewpoint.

2. It appears to me that this isn't about conservatives quiting and taking their toys and going home but about a liberal doing just that. It sounds like a whole lot complaints about the conservative influence of the ownership etc etc. I don't begrudge MoWfor doing what he is doing at all. It is his keyboard he can type what and where he wants buts lets not confuse the issue by placing blame elsewhere.

2a. As far as the poster with his new found conservatism and his statements you found idiotic. Wait another 15 minutes and I am sure if the pattern holds we'll see the wind blow a different direction. (Maybe then I'll start a thread condemning the liberal bias of this forum.

3. I really like a new forum I have been posting a little on lately. It's all about skiing. You should read the "to wear a helmet vs no helmet" debate. They can get down right nasty.

4. Please point me to the post that advocates the limitation of information exchange.

I often enjoy your posts PP even when you are wrong but I suspect you have bought into this conservative conspiracy theory just a little to deeply.

Maybe I'll join you under the bridge and together we can catch a few trout.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Thumper

1. One man's political spin is another man's viewpoint.

2. It appears to me that this isn't about conservatives quiting and taking their toys and going home but about a liberal doing just that. It sounds like a whole lot complaints about the conservative influence of the ownership etc etc. I don't begrudge MoWfor doing what he is doing at all. It is his keyboard he can type what and where he wants buts lets not confuse the issue by placing blame elsewhere.

2a. As far as the poster with his new found conservatism and his statements you found idiotic. Wait another 15 minutes and I am sure if the pattern holds we'll see the wind blow a different direction. (Maybe then I'll start a thread condemning the liberal bias of this forum.

3. I really like a new forum I have been posting a little on lately. It's all about skiing. You should read the "to wear a helmet vs no helmet" debate. They can get down right nasty.

4. Please point me to the post that advocates the limitation of information exchange.

I often enjoy your posts PP even when you are wrong but I suspect you have bought into this conservative conspiracy theory just a little to deeply.

Maybe I'll join you under the bridge and together we can catch a few trout.

Oh, there is no conspiracy. At least not a hidden one. Let's recap.

1. I am threatened via pm to stop posting by an ultracon - or else.
2. MOW leaves the forum because of censorship.
3. Daniel is banned every other day for petty reasons.


I don't believe there is a hidden agenda, and I agree that owners can do as they please. This has been a great place to post. But lets not play "ostrich" here.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

First of all PP, There is no "Affirmation Statement" here. I have found nowhere that anyone has been asked to affirm their allegiance to AFF and the paragraph that was written to give a clearer definition as to the position of this forum. Where is it?? Where have you been asked to sign?? Do you have this to show to all as proof, since you are openly doing some "spinning" of your own?

You are starting with a foundation of a false perception when building you house here, so it is easy to see why you are so far off on this.

And because you started building on error, your post only goes down hill from there.

I will respond to this "issue" that is not really an issue, but something a few have asked sincere questions about, and a few have blown out of proportion.

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

From MOW's Thread:



I wonder if this new AFF Affirmation Statement had something to do with this?

BTW, I think Ferd is correct.

1. There is a whole lot of political spin from the admin, owners, and moderators on this thread. Fine by me. I just don't think MOW wanted to be pigeon-holed here.

2. Further, I get tired of hearing the conservatives whine about the content of AFF. I also am weary of hearing others say how much they miss the conservatives voice on AFF. Hello people! If the conservatives can't stand the heat, maybe they should leave the kitchen. The most telling sign of this idiotic drama was when a poster with new found "conservatism" lectured us, saying that "unity demands that less conservative Apostolics live conservatively, so as not to offend conservatives" (paraphrase).

Pardon me, but how insane is that? For you to keep posting on AFF I need to change what I believe and/or shut up? For you and I to have fellowship I must obey everyone of your silly pre-1950's rules? I am so sorry to disappoint my conservative friends, but I have no intention of capitulating to such dictatorial demands.

3. There are many internet options for all of us. There are opportunities to move on down the road if and when AFF morphs into something personally unacceptable.

4. With the advent of email, instant messages, chat rooms, and forums such as these, the idea that one can stop the flow of information is archaic and silly.


I'm gonna go crawl back under my bridge now.


PP

Well, paint a bullseye on me and call me a target. I get the feeling that I am the supposed poster with "newfound conservatism." Nope. I am just as moderate as I have been for quite a long time. I have stated that it is impossible for the liberal or moderate to attempt to please the conservative in every way--but we had agreements and even unwritten rules as to what both sides could come together on and agree to, and that it is wise to abide by those agreements for the sake of unity.

Please, PP, don't spin it...the libs have plenty to shoot at on me if you just leave it straight.

As for the idea that conservatives whine about the content of AFF, I think some of it is founded. Some of it is just expecting what they shouldn't.

As for the new AFF affirmation statement, I agree with it in some points, but not in others. I look to guys like Reformed Dave, who disagree with the Pentecostal viewpoint, but respect it, and are cautious about how they treat the subject. I think that this kind of respectful debate is good for AFF, as it can be for any forum. I think Wordshare is even a little too strict on some of that, UPC affiliation required or no.


I miss it when MOW is not here. He adds something to the forum. I, for one, feel I have to call him brother because he has the Holy Ghost and is baptized in Jesus Name. I vehemently desire his return to standards--which I doubt is going to ever happen--but I have to let God sort that stuff out.

PP, AFF was founded, as I understood it as the sequel to NFCF, the sequel to FCF. It is called Apostolic, and there were certain agreements in place. It was always understood that debate was allowed so long as namecalling didn't take place. Debates on the doctrine were acceptable as well, so long as we did not debate whether Jesus Name baptism was valid, whether the Holy Ghost with tongues was real, and so long as we upheld the Oneness Doctrine. Seems to me that we can do that and get along on a forum. I don't know if we can go quite that far in an organization like the UPC and get along, though. In fact, I doubt it.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Oh, there is no conspiracy. At least not a hidden one. Let's recap.

1. I am threatened via pm to stop posting by an ultracon - or else.
2. MOW leaves the forum because of censorship.
3. Daniel is banned every other day for petty reasons.


I don't believe there is a hidden agenda, and I agree that owners can do as they please. This has been a great place to post. But lets not play "ostrich" here.

1. Your threat was dealt with very swiftly. It was NOT the voice of this forum.

2. MOW did NOT leave this forum due to censorship.

3. Danial is banned right now because I banned him. He knew what he was doing when he posted the thread.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

1. Your threat was dealt with very swiftly. It was NOT the voice of this forum.

2. MOW did NOT leave this forum due to censorship.

3. Danial is banned right now because I banned him. He knew what he was doing when he posted the thread.

And I think ALL the Admins are in total agreement with StMatt's statements here.