Selective Immortality...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They are Noneness.

Meaning what?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Barb

Thank you, no...

But tell me, you believe this?! Is it Universalist in origin?!

I dont necessarily believe one will suffer in the lake however many years they lived. Some may suffer a very long time. However long it is according to Yeshua their Lake of Fire experience will end in their death.

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28

So this is NOT Universalism but annihilation. It is taught in both Testaments.


4: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4

23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

I taught the "immortal soul" doctrine myself for 16 years. A friend shared the truth with me and I began to study it. Very shortly I saw the error of what I had believed.

I am aware of two Apostolic Churches that teach this. Also several Apostolic Teachers. I am sure there must be more.

When I met Evangelist Benincasa years ago he told me that he and other Churches he knew held this.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Meaning what?

Just what I said.

[Michael The Disciple]

I have not heard this doctrine called "selective immortality before". At least what I and others believe is sometimes called "conditional immortality".

[Esther]

The only thing I have heard similiar to this, is that you will burn for the sins against your body, because it is the temple of God.

Where they got that teaching, I'm not sure.

BTW...sins of the body they were referring to was adultry, etc.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They are Noneness.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Just what I said.

Respectfully Elder, this particular church believes in the same One God you and I do, baptize in the Name and receiving the Holy Ghost, AND are UPCI in affiliation. To say they are "noneness," why I disagree with the other they teach, seems a bit unfair.

I know what you mean here, but...anyway...

Bro. Beni, do you know anything about this teaching that we might share with these folk?!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I dont necessarily believe one will suffer in the lake however many years they lived. Some may suffer a very long time. However long it is according to Yeshua their Lake of Fire experience will end in their death.

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28

So this is NOT Universalism but annihilation. It is taught in both Testaments.


4: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4

23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

I taught the "immortal soul" doctrine myself for 16 years. A friend shared the truth with me and I began to study it. Very shortly I saw the error of what I had believed.

I am aware of two Apostolic Churches that teach this. Also several Apostolic Teachers. I am sure there must be more.

When I met Evangelist Benincasa years ago he told me that he and other Churches he knew held this.

Is this speaking of natural death, as in dying, or a spiritual death, as in cut off from the presence of God?!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Barb

Is this speaking of natural death, as in dying, or a spiritual death, as in cut off from the presence of God?!

Look at what Yeshua said:

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28

The context is what happens to the SOUL and the body in Hell.

Once this is understood the rest will follow. And yes I will be interested in what Bro. Beni says about this.

[Michael The Disciple]

What is the deal about saying what Church you are talking about? Are they ashamed of what they believe? Since you brought up the topic it seems reasonable you should name them. I doubt anyone here would try to contact them except myself.

There was a UPCI pastor in LA, now deceased, that was very strong on the annihilation of the wicked. Bro. Tenney, while not of the same view, didn't trouble him about it. Bro. Tenney also would tell you not to get into a debate with him about it because he would "tie your tail in a knot". I believe the brother's name was Magahee or something similar. He may have sons in the UPC that still teach this doctrine.