Disrespectful Children/Entitlement

So we respect our parents but we blame our kids?

[OP_Carl]

I offer no defense of infidel husbands and fathers. Your situation, as you described it, is tragic and all too common. I suspect that your reaction comes from the helplessness you have felt as you have gone through this. I hope you realize that it is a viscous cycle, passed down from one generation to the next. Nobody, certainly not I, would say that you did anything improper in providing for your family.

What's missing from our culture is an exaltation of patriarchy, where a young man's earnest desire is to establish himself such that he can attract a worthy woman of good upbringing with an offer of a secure and steadfast home and family life. Where a man is not considered fully a man until he has demonstrated his ability to manage and provide for a family well.

I maintain that the root cause for the moral degeneration of Western civilization is the loss of patriarchy. Patriarchy can only prevail when both men and women recognize its value and venerate it in view of their children. Here we are 50 years after "women's liberation" and the growing number of irresponsible men are loving it ever the more. Women nowadays will give a man all the benefits and prerogatives of marriage without exacting the commitment and responsibility. The cad wins, and the woman is left holding the bag. The diaper bag, that is, and the kid, and a job, and all the worries and responsibilities.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

This is something to think about. I consider it more the spirit of the age. It isn't that parents don't care but when the responsibility of one is let slide then the family is skewed/dysfunctional if you would. We have the Industrialization of the United States, Feminism, Abortion, No-fault Divorce, and the dissintigration of Godly principles in the schools, as well as the home.

And what is the root cause of all this? What is it that allows this fast-paced world to keep its pace? Our economic engine benefits greatly from the earnings and spending of women, and the extra spending by women on conveniences to compensate for their not being home makers.

While Scarlett thinks about things tomorrow, and Rhett doesn't give as *&%(, the children are disrespectful, disobedient, and the law of love/God is not in them. There is a point that one cannot blame the parent...when the children are adults they are responsible for their own actions and to blame the parents a cop-out.

Yes, this is technically true. But we now have a generation of adults whose thinking is still adolescent. Quite literally, they don't know how to be responsible for their own actions. One can't simply holler at some deliquent 30-something, "Grow up!" and get any appreciable result.

If the man does not consider providing for his family more important than being able to take off to go to conferences or hang out with the church folks then his religion is in vain. The Bible states that if a man doesn't take care of his family, he is worse than a thief or an infidel [this means they do not truly believe in God].

I am all about this. I take this very seriously. I believe it. I teach it to my sons.

I also believe the scriptures talk about the office of Bishop/Pastor/elder: They must be the husband of one wife, have their family in order, and be a good provider before thay can even think of ministry.

This used to be the standard of respectability for Western culture, not just to hold office in the church. I qualify and have served as a deacon.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by The Antagonist

So we respect our parents but we blame our kids?

I don't blame my kids.I have responsible children.My son has been a Sea Bee
for eight years and worked for awhile at the Presidential Retreat.He is married with two cute girls and one on the way.His wife is able to be a stay at home mom.I am very proud of him.My seventeen year old graduates this year and is set for Business Adminstration and bible college.My ten year old wants to be a Vet.They have the example at home of hard working parents.I do indulge them a bit but I expect things to be done such as rooms cleaned,homework
done and etc.BTW my seventeen year old has been teaching Sunday School for about a year.Not an assistant but a teacher.She also sings on the platform and at district functions.So not all young people are going to
the dogs.Just so you know!

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I don't blame my kids.I have responsible children.My son has been a Sea Bee
for eight years and worked for awhile at the Presidential Retreat.He is married with two cute girls and one on the way.His wife is able to be a stay at home mom.I am very proud of him.My seventeen year old graduates this year and is set for Business Adminstration and bible college.My ten year old wants to be a Vet.They have the example at home of hard working parents.I do indulge them a bit but I expect things to be done such as rooms cleaned,homework
done and etc.BTW my seventeen year old has been teaching Sunday School for about a year.Not an assistant but a teacher.She also sings on the platform and at district functions.So not all young people are going to
the dogs.Just so you know!

It was YOUR children that Rhoni was talking about in her first post?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by The Antagonist

It was YOUR children that Rhoni was talking about in her first post?

no I am afraid not.Let me correct this I have a grown son and two daughters.
The goat has kids I have children and adults whom I have raised to be
responsible.She was probably posting this after an incident or a session.
Give her a break.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I offer no defense of infidel husbands and fathers. Your situation, as you described it, is tragic and all too common. I suspect that your reaction comes from the helplessness you have felt as you have gone through this. I hope you realize that it is a viscous cycle, passed down from one generation to the next. Nobody, certainly not I, would say that you did anything improper in providing for your family.

What's missing from our culture is an exaltation of patriarchy, where a young man's earnest desire is to establish himself such that he can attract a worthy woman of good upbringing with an offer of a secure and steadfast home and family life. Where a man is not considered fully a man until he has demonstrated his ability to manage and provide for a family well.

I maintain that the root cause for the moral degeneration of Western civilization is the loss of patriarchy. Patriarchy can only prevail when both men and women recognize its value and venerate it in view of their children. Here we are 50 years after "women's liberation" and the growing number of irresponsible men are loving it ever the more. Women nowadays will give a man all the benefits and prerogatives of marriage without exacting the commitment and responsibility. The cad wins, and the woman is left holding the bag. The diaper bag, that is, and the kid, and a job, and all the worries and responsibilities.

And what is the root cause of all this? What is it that allows this fast-paced world to keep its pace? Our economic engine benefits greatly from the earnings and spending of women, and the extra spending by women on conveniences to compensate for their not being home makers.

Yes, this is technically true. But we now have a generation of adults whose thinking is still adolescent. Quite literally, they don't know how to be responsible for their own actions. One can't simply holler at some deliquent 30-something, "Grow up!" and get any appreciable result.
I am all about this. I take this very seriously. I believe it. I teach it to my sons.

This used to be the standard of respectability for Western culture, not just to hold office in the church. I qualify and have served as a deacon.

Very good post Bro. OP_Carl. Good insight.

God Bless, Rhonda

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by The Antagonist

It was YOUR children that Rhoni was talking about in her first post?

I was not

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Today I overheard a conversation about how a set of siblings had trashed their parents accusing them of all sorts of false behaviors and all because they felt entitled to have their parents go into debt so that they might go to college, not work, take minimum required classes, and party 24/7.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think we are living in the last days: children are disobedient, disrespectful and have a sense of entitlement that I never felt the liberty to have.

Seems to me that parents can't win: if they help their children financially then they accuse the parent of controlling and manipulating them through the use of money and if they don't give them money then they selfish and don't deserve the respect of their children.

The last time I read about this in the word...the Bible teaches children to be obedient and to show honor to their parents that their lives might be long on this earth...No place in scriptures does it teach to only give honor to those you think deserve it.

I am appalled at our children today...who do they think they are?

Does anyone else feel this way?

Sincerely appalled, Rhoni

Spoiled Brats indicate The End Times?

"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book."
-- Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC –43 BC)

[Trouvere]

Naw spoiled brats indicate the need of a rear seat application.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Spoiled Brats indicate The End Times?

"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book."
-- Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC –43 BC)

I was expecting a three page sermon on that one...but here you have said it in a nutshell!:sshhh

Blessings, Rhoni