Ron Paul Doesn't Have A Chance

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

He's just another "also ran". He's way out of his depth!

So I guess we should just vote for a Republican or a Democrat. This is the thinking that keeps us in the same mess. I've heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[Pressing-On]

Sunday Republican Debate - the poll results. Somebody is interested in Ron Paul.

ABC News Poll

Ron Paul - 24,317

Mitt Romney - 3,496

Rudy Giuliani - 2,746

Drudge Poll

Ron Paul - 16,676

Brownback - 14,229

Giuliani - 5,842

Romney - 4,795

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Title: ABC Reset Republican Debate Tally After Ron Paul Win?
Source: Free-Market News Network
URL Source: http://geterrormessagesonurl
Published: Aug 5, 2007
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2007-08-05 14:52:20 by malador
Ping List: *Ron Paul 2008*
295 Comments

ABC Reset Republican Debate Tally After Ron Paul Win? Sunday, August 05, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

News Analysis

ABC TV apparently reset its tally of who won the Republican debate it broadcast on August 5, Sunday morning.

At 10 AM EST, Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) was winning the debate with over 1,000 votes. Mitt Romney was next with 106. After the debate at approximately 11:10 AM EST when the tally was rechecked, ABC showed Ron Paul had just 445 votes. Second was “Nobody Won. I’m Voting Democratic.”

Of course, it could all be an innocent gliche, and perhaps ABC will explain these tallies or see fit to rectify them. But it has long been FMNN’s contention, along with others, that Ron Paul, an old fashioned Jeffersonian conservative, would serve as a metaphor and magnifying glass for America’s current political difficulties and expanding corruption.

The debate itself was apparently little promoted. In fact, ABC marketed the debate so shallowly that Drudgereport.com didn’t seem to carry a blurb about it on its front page, and neither did Google News.

To set the stage for the debate, ABC moderators began with polling numbers that showed Ron Paul at just two percent, yet the numbers on the ABC website, at 10 AM EST and again at the end of the debate (before the tally was reduced), showed him winning the debate, as he has before, by a wide margin.

A search of Internet sites revealed some confusion about the debates times and where it was airing. Posted one confused would-be viewer: "What a bizzare time to hold a debate and what a screwy format for a debate. It won’t air in my area until 11:00 am."

Ron Paul will likely win the online debate poll by large numbers in any case. But changing poll numbers always generates questions. ABC is said to have manipulated its comment boards before as regards Ron Paul. (Edited after posting.)

Update: DrudgeReport.com put up a post-debate poll that showed Ron Paul winning the debate by wide margins (with 45% of the vote) as of 12:30 PM EST. Ron Paul continued to pull away in the ABC TV poll as well, despite the apparent tampering.

Staff Reports - Free-Market News Network
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=196097

[CC1]

Pressing On,

As I have pointed out in the past these online "polls" are not scientific polls and are hugely skewed most of the time depending on the demographics of the site or an organized effort by a canidate or organization involved in the poll question.

In other words I am often amused by polls at CNN, The New York Times, and otbher liberal news sites when they ask poll questions about political positions ,etc. Invariably the vast majority of the responses are the liberal viewpoint just as polls results at Fox News website invariably skew toward the conservative viewpoint. In other words the poll results in those cases reflect the demographic of the audience of those websites.

In the case of polls involving canidtates many times an underdog canidate will have an organized effort to contact supporters and urge them to log on to these websites and participate in the unscientific poll.

Ron Paul barely registers a bleep on scientific polls taken among Republicans regarding their preferred choice for the Republican 2008 Presidential canidate.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

Pressing On,

As I have pointed out in the past these online "polls" are not scientific polls and are hugely skewed most of the time depending on the demographics of the site or an organized effort by a canidate or organization involved in the poll question.

In other words I am often amused by polls at CNN, The New York Times, and otbher liberal news sites when they ask poll questions about political positions ,etc. Invariably the vast majority of the responses are the liberal viewpoint just as polls results at Fox News website invariably skew toward the conservative viewpoint. In other words the poll results in those cases reflect the demographic of the audience of those websites.

In the case of polls involving canidtates many times an underdog canidate will have an organized effort to contact supporters and urge them to log on to these websites and participate in the unscientific poll.

Ron Paul barely registers a bleep on scientific polls taken among Republicans regarding their preferred choice for the Republican 2008 Presidential canidate.

So you say. I wasn't listening. I like a lot of things that he stands for. A lot more than the other candidates. I especially like him since I have met and talked with him.

We spoke about, among other things, the Panama Canal and how a Chinese company has the contract on it. He said that the only way we could get it back was a full blown war.

[Brett Prince]

P-O,

RP is so off that it's not even funny. His answer to what to do with Iraq was so childish and idiotic he doesn't deserve a spot in the debate.

Sure, he has a few good ideas, but most things he holds to are laughable. He will never be the leader of a third party I can support.

[Bro-Larry]

Who do you think won the Republican debate?

Ron Paul
37,467
Mitt Romney4,528
Nobody won. I'm voting Democratic.3,413
Rudy Giuliani3,208
Nobody. I'm waiting for Fred Thompson or Newt Gingrich to enter the race.2,906
Mike Huckabee2,681
Sam Brownback1,045
Tom Tancredo762
Tommy Thompson756
John McCain733
Duncan Hunter423
Total Vote: 57,922

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

P-O,

RP is so off that it's not even funny. His answer to what to do with Iraq was so childish and idiotic he doesn't deserve a spot in the debate.

Sure, he has a few good ideas, but most things he holds to are laughable. He will never be the leader of a third party I can support.

Brett,
Ya'll say these things, but he keeps getting re-elected in Texas. What does that mean?

[Pressing-On]

War and Foreign Policy

The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.

[Pressing-On]

Debt and Taxes

Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy — that means all of us.

Real conservatives have always supported low taxes and low spending.

But today, too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin. We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation. Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren. If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future — and yours.

In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”

Worse, our economy and our very independence as a nation is increasingly in the hands of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia, because their central banks also finance our runaway spending.

We cannot continue to allow private banks, wasteful agencies, lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our ballooning budget. We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States.

[Pressing-On]

Border Security and Immigration Reform

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

* Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
* Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
* No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
* No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
* End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
* Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.