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Old 02-24-2007, 10:29 AM
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Father I stretch my hand toward the "Danster" right now and loose him of his evil ways. ... I realize that I am just spinning my wheels, but I had to try
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Old 02-24-2007, 10:41 AM
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The other thing that has to figure into this is that we live in a very
'mobile' society today. People move from one location to another much more often now than they did a generation ago. When you move, you naturally have to change churches.
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:39 AM
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The other thing that has to figure into this is that we live in a very
'mobile' society today. People move from one location to another much more often now than they did a generation ago. When you move, you naturally have to change churches.
I would have to agree with this...

It seems people are out looking for jobs and will move to where the best job is...not just settle down into any old job where ever they happen to live.
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:43 AM
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This was in The Tennessean newspaper this morning:



If the median amount of years attending the same church is 6.6 years, then it can be assumed that in Pentecostal churches the average years of loyalty is lower.

In my experience, the churches I've been involved in had a core group that was loyal, but we did have many that went out the back door as fast as they came through the front door.

Is this true at your church?
I know this to be true. I attended a very large chuch UPCI for years until just recently. A couple of years ago they asked folks to stand. Then they asked folks to sit down as they called off each year.

When they got back to 1980 there was maybe 80 of us still left.

The church in 1980 ran 750.

Most of that church today is 95% folks post 1997.

Where are the other 30 or so thousand that have been baptized?

In many of the AG and independant churches in my area....
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:55 AM
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I know this to be true. I attended a very large chuch UPCI for years until just recently. A couple of years ago they asked folks to stand. Then they asked folks to sit down as they called off each year.

When they got back to 1980 there was maybe 80 of us still left.

The church in 1980 ran 750.

Most of that church today is 95% folks post 1997.

Where are the other 30 or so thousand that have been baptized?

In many of the AG and independant churches in my area....
I went to the 50th anniversary of the church my father started last summer. The church was running about 350 back when I left for JCM in 1974. My father announced his resignation to start a new church in Tennessee my last service before leaving for college. They moved two months later.

Anyway...they had folks stand that were attending when my father was paster there. Only about ten people stood!!!!! I thought the fact that there were only that many left out of 350 pretty amazing!

What is your opinion about whether folks leave our Apostolic churchs for another Apostolic church, or whether they leave for a totally different denomination and doctrine?
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:13 PM
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After researching the internet I found that Klingons are afraid of something called a tribble. I have not idea what that is, because quite frankly I have never seen that show. But the picture on the internet shows the tribble and it looks like a hamster or fuzzy rat How funny kind of like the Elephant and mouse analogy
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:16 PM
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I went to the 50th anniversary of the church my father started last summer. The church was running about 350 back when I left for JCM in 1974. My father announced his resignation to start a new church in Tennessee my last service before leaving for college. They moved two months later.

Anyway...they had folks stand that were attending when my father was paster there. Only about ten people stood!!!!! I thought the fact that there were only that many left out of 350 pretty amazing!

What is your opinion about whether folks leave our Apostolic churchs for another Apostolic church, or whether they leave for a totally different denomination and doctrine?
In the UPC they get tuned off and burned out. When many of the folks who look holy are so negative.

So they go off and attend AG or Independant churches.

Our area has hundreds of folks that attend several churhes on our area.

It's not the message of salvation.

It's the add on items that ministers think are truth...
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:33 PM
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Church hoppers by any other name are still church hoppers.
I have never understood the negative feeling toward people who switch churches. NO, I am not a church switcher- I have attended UPCI churches for 36 years and attended a total of 2 churches. But, why is it if someone changes churches for various reasons, we call them church hoppers. We are all part of a bigger Kingdom of God?????? Am I missing something?
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Old 02-24-2007, 01:57 PM
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I think we need to understand that a church will only grow spiritually as the Pastor grows spiritually. There are times when in order to grow, one must move on.

This really should not be the case, and if the 5 fold ministry was activated, functioning, and being used on a local church level, it would probably never be the case. But when you have Pastors who only use other Pastors for "revival meetings", then the congregation never gets the balanced diet of the full ministry, and is left imperfect, and often feels lack.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:23 PM
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When the Church building is paid off. It's usually time to leave. The minister get's comfortable and starts to change.

Not sure what it is.... but it is the truth.

Just hope he adds on to the building and gets another mortgage.

He needs people to pay for the building.
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