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Old 07-08-2007, 05:51 PM
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Um ... HCM ... hate to burst your bible bubble ... but this seems to me that this scripture does not refer to the worldly ... or "unchurched" .... it refers to a brother who is walking disorderly ... or in other words "a brother in Christ".

I love when folks play theological gymnastics w/ the Word.
So Hey,
There are those here who say they are our brother that by their own admission, have walked away from their churches, don't even have a church family, so what are you getting at? You didn't burst my Bubble, so get the grin off your face. So many are looking through rose colored glasses. I still live in the real world where right is right, and wrong is still wrong in the eyes of God.
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Old 07-08-2007, 05:51 PM
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II Thessalonians 3: 6
Now we command you, brethren, in the NAME of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Is this scripture true, it's in my Bible????????
This means that in order for you to be saved, you better stop going to church.

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Old 07-08-2007, 06:34 PM
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So Hey,
There are those here who say they are our brother that by their own admission, have walked away from their churches, don't even have a church family, so what are you getting at? You didn't burst my Bubble, so get the grin off your face. So many are looking through rose colored glasses. I still live in the real world where right is right, and wrong is still wrong in the eyes of God.
Okay let's cut the Apostolic theatrics, HCM

I know the "We still stand for truth" shtick makes for crazed zealot sabre-rattling at rallies and euphoric hysteria at camp meetings.

BUT ...

Cooper made reference to Jesus eating and fellowshipping w/ sinners, WHICH IS TRUE, and you quipped back w/ a verse that you felt somehow
supports the "separation from the world" doctrine - which is code for dress code holiness makes me holier than thou.

You are deceived if you think long hair, ankle-length dresses or not owning a T.V. is separation from the things of this world.

I am skeptical of those who use micro-theology and play scriptural darts in the dark to support these type of extrabiblical erroneous teachings.

The writer, Paul, on several occasions speaks to those that are playing church and how to deal w/ them IN LOVE - and not arrogant high-browed disdain.

Yet, those who are exclusivists would like us to believe he was speaking about those who didn't dress the part or owned technology
they disapprove of ...

You will find no example of Paul doing so in the epistles... he always addresses those who are willingly and continually engaging in sins of the heart. I challenge you to find a scripture where the NT church shuns brethren for not dressing holy - I humbly await.

It is interesting to note that the scripture you refer to brings to bear two interesting points.

1. Although these brethren are disorderly Paul still calls them brethren yet justifiably tells the church to withdraw
from them.

2. The scripture you provided, in context, deals w/ those who are in the church engaging in immoral acts and are guilty
of sins of the heart.

The Word is clear in its mandate on God-driven holiness -- it asks us to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh -- and to refrain from the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.

Unfortunately, the exclusivist twist on the "separation from the world" doctrine has shunned many of the unchurched and churched. It misleads young people to think that as long as they don't cut their hair ... everything else is acceptable ... As in the young lady AB's son encountered at an org camp meeting who showed off her baby born out of wedlock but raved about how she never has cut her hair.
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:39 PM
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The whole separation theology is misguided.
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:52 PM
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The whole separation theology is misguided.
I agree with your statement. However I wonder what that means to you to say that.
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:59 PM
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Okay let's cut the Apostolic theatrics, HCM

I know the "We still stand for truth" shtick makes for crazed zealot sabre-rattling at rallies and euphoric hysteria at camp meetings.

BUT ...

Cooper made reference to Jesus eating and fellowshipping w/ sinners, WHICH IS TRUE, and you quipped back w/ a verse that you felt somehow
supports the "separation from the world" doctrine - which is code for dress code holiness makes me holier than thou.

You are deceived if you think long hair, ankle-length dresses or not owning a T.V. is separation from the things of this world.

I am skeptical of those who use micro-theology and play scriptural darts in the dark to support these type of extrabiblical erroneous teachings.

The writer, Paul, on several occasions speaks to those that are playing church and how to deal w/ them IN LOVE - and not arrogant high-browed disdain.

Yet, those who are exclusivists would like us to believe he was speaking about those who didn't dress the part or owned technology
they disapprove of ...

You will find no example of Paul doing so in the epistles... he always addresses those who are willingly and continually engaging in sins of the heart. I challenge you to find a scripture where the NT church shuns brethren for not dressing holy - I humbly await.

It is interesting to note that the scripture you refer to brings to bear two interesting points.

1. Although these brethren are disorderly Paul still calls them brethren yet justifiably tells the church to withdraw
from them.

2. The scripture you provided, in context, deals w/ those who are in the church engaging in immoral acts and are guilty
of sins of the heart.

The Word is clear in its mandate on God-driven holiness -- it asks us to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh -- and to refrain from the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.

Unfortunately, the exclusivist twist on the "separation from the world" doctrine has shunned many of the unchurched and churched. It misleads young people to think that as long as they don't cut their hair ... everything else is acceptable ... As in the young lady AB's son encountered at an org camp meeting who showed off her baby born out of wedlock but raved about how she never has cut her hair.
I mentioned none of the above in the thread I started, I'll admit it's not all about Hair, and Dress, It's all about what's in the heart, but " Oh Well, "

Thank you for putting me in my place so nicely. You have cleaned my plow well, are you finished?
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:02 PM
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I agree with your statement. However I wonder what that means to you to say that.
I mean that separation is to be UNTO more than it is to be FROM.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:04 PM
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I mean that separation is to be UNTO more than it is to be FROM.
Then I agree with you on that too.

It is all about where your focus is.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:40 PM
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I mean that separation is to be UNTO more than it is to be FROM.
I posted that early this morning, but HC evidently didn't take notice...
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Old 07-08-2007, 08:05 PM
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"Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you." II Cor. 6:17

What is this scripture saying if not separation from the world?

Yes we are separated from the world and unto God. However, we live in the world and cannot disassociate ourselves from sinners if we want to win them. Though we are in the world we are not "of" the world. We do not partake of the things the world does i.e. worldly entertainments, movie theatres, dances, gambling etc.

There's still some "unclean" things that we are to separate ourselves from.
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