"One-steppers" as in regeneration at belief/repentance?! I thought that was PCI doctrine, the above followed with obedience in baptism and Spirit infilling.
Am I misinformed here, too?!
One-stepper and Three-stepper are terms we use (some times in a derogatory manner) on these forums. I don't think the PCI and/or PAJC folks used those terms back then.
We use PCI one-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration happens at repentance and then should be followed up by water and Spirit baptism. We use PAJC three-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration does not happen until repentance plus water and Spirit baptism are complete.
It is my understanding that as a general rule ministers in the PCI group believed in one-step salvation and ministers in the PAJC group believed in three-step salvation. I don't know how many ministers within those organizations actually believed the way we now designate it. I've seen different figures. I don't know how accurate they are.
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just a few notes.I will address the others later.
This following exerpt is incorrect:
The driving force behind the initial discussions was expansion and finances. The PCI at the time was very financially sound but was limited in ministers for missions. The PAJC had the ministry base to expand but did but did not have the financial base for mission operations.
One of the main reasons for the merger is so that the ministers could get a rail
car.It was hard to travel in those days.The expansion was not about an organizational expansion but about the propogation of the gospel.
One-stepper and Three-stepper are terms we use (some times in a derogatory manner) on these forums. I don't think the PCI and/or PAJC folks used those terms back then.
We use PCI one-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration happens at repentance and then should be followed up by water and Spirit baptism. We use PAJC three-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration does not happen until repentance plus water and Spirit baptism are complete.
It is my understanding that as a general rule ministers in the PCI group believed in one-step salvation and ministers in the PAJC group believed in three-step salvation. I don't know how many ministers within those organizations actually believed the way we now designate it. I've seen different figures. I don't know how accurate they are.
Yes sir, I understand this. I was just questioning your statement that not all PCIers were one-steppers...I thought that's what made them PCI in doctrine was that they were one-steppers.
One-stepper and Three-stepper are terms we use (some times in a derogatory manner) on these forums. I don't think the PCI and/or PAJC folks used those terms back then.
We use PCI one-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration happens at repentance and then should be followed up by water and Spirit baptism. We use PAJC three-stepper to designate someone who believes that salvation/regeneration does not happen until repentance plus water and Spirit baptism are complete.
It is my understanding that as a general rule ministers in the PCI group believed in one-step salvation and ministers in the PAJC group believed in three-step salvation. I don't know how many ministers within those organizations actually believed the way we now designate it. I've seen different figures. I don't know how accurate they are.
Sam, I have some questions for you, as I don't understand the PCI view, having never heard of it before these forums existed to me.
I understand that the PCI view says that one is 'saved' at repentance, but should be baptised and receive the Holy Ghost. Is this true?
I will follow up with the others after your answer.
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Yes sir, I understand this. I was just questioning your statement that not all PCIers were one-steppers...I thought that's what made them PCI in doctrine was that they were one-steppers.
PCI actually stands for Pentecostal Church Inc. which was a Oneness Pentecostal organization. Some ministers in the PCI believed a person was saved at repentance. We don't really know how many believed that way. Was it a small percentage? half? most? all? We don't know.
Today we use the term PCI to describe a person who believes in salvation/regeneration at repentance. We've come up with that term based on what we think was the prevailing belief of the PCI organization.
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Sam, I have some questions for you, as I don't understand the PCI view, having never heard of it before these forums existed to me.
I understand that the PCI view says that one is 'saved' at repentance, but should be baptised and receive the Holy Ghost. Is this true?
I will follow up with the others after your answer.
What we call the PCI or one-stepper view on this forum is the belief that salvation/regeneration/justification happens when a person repents or makes a personal commitment to Jesus Christ. One steppers believe that justification is a legal term meaning that a person is declared righteous (just as if I'd never sinned). Salvation means that a person is no longer lost and bound for Hell. Regeneration means being born again or born of the Spirit.
Salvation should be followed up by water baptism. Baptism is a public declaration that the old me is dead so I'm burying him in a watery grave. Baptism is also a symbolic cleansing from sin. Baptism is also a public declaration that I believe Jesus died for me, was buried, and rose again from the dead.
The HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism), or being filled with the Spirit, or the Spirit falling upon or coming upon a person is also called the promise of the Father. A one-stepper believes that the disciples and apostles of Jesus were saved before He sent them out preaching and healing the sick during His earthly ministry and therefore were saved/born again before the Holy Ghost Baptism experience at Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. The HGB is an empowering experience for someone who is already a child of God. In other words, Peter was saved because he believed Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Later he was filled with the Spirit in Acts 2:4, filled again in Acts 4:8, and filled again in Acts 4:31.
Some of the leaders (including the General Supt.) of the UPC when it was formed in 1945 were one-steppers. It is a valid view among Oneness Pentecostal teachers, preachers, and saints.
There is another thread going right now titled "Can someone please tell me...." which also addresses this same PCI one stepper subject.
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Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
What we call the PCI or one-stepper view on this forum is the belief that salvation/regeneration/justification happens when a person repents or makes a personal commitment to Jesus Christ. One steppers believe that justification is a legal term meaning that a person is declared righteous (just as if I'd never sinned). Salvation means that a person is no longer lost and bound for Hell. Regeneration means being born again or born of the Spirit.
Salvation should be followed up by water baptism. Baptism is a public declaration that the old me is dead so I'm burying him in a watery grave. Baptism is also a symbolic cleansing from sin. Baptism is also a public declaration that I believe Jesus died for me, was buried, and rose again from the dead.
The HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism), or being filled with the Spirit, or the Spirit falling upon or coming upon a person is also called the promise of the Father. A one-stepper believes that the disciples and apostles of Jesus were saved before He sent them out preaching and healing the sick during His earthly ministry and therefore were saved/born again before the Holy Ghost Baptism experience at Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. The HGB is an empowering experience for someone who is already a child of God. In other words, Peter was saved because he believed Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Later he was filled with the Spirit in Acts 2:4, filled again in Acts 4:8, and filled again in Acts 4:31.
Some of the leaders (including the General Supt.) of the UPC when it was formed in 1945 were one-steppers. It is a valid view among Oneness Pentecostal teachers, preachers, and saints.
There is another thread going right now titled "Can somebody please tell me...." which also addresses this same PCI one stepper subject.
Thanks for this wonderful explanation. I'll continue with the questions.
Since one is considered saved at repentance, what happens if they don't get baptised with water and the Holy Ghost? Are they then unsaved?
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Is a one stepper and three stepper a kind of dance? If so I prefer a two stepper
and Sam needs dance lessons because sooner or later hopping around on one foot is going to get him in trouble.
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