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08-15-2019, 04:44 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
Go read her blog and you won't wonder why she left.
Here is just one quote:
"I was never really a good (adult) United Pentecostal. I always pushed the limits as far as I could without getting kicked off the platform."
Sound like someone who had other issues and now is looking for something to blame.
Most of "these" start out like Esau, despising their birthright.
And by that I mean they despise the beliefs that the "church" they were spiritually born into has.
So, first they despise their spiritual birthright.
Secondly, they grow to despise the physical birthright and to question why their parents raised them as they did.
But, they are not content to stop there.
They then have to move on from Esau to Amalek.
And as the Amalekites hated the Jews, they grow to hate those still in the "church".
Next, they move to try to pick off those that are weak in their faith, just as the Amalekites picked off those who were at the end of the line.
Lastly, they will attempt to destroy the entire "church".
Just as Haman did.
It amazes me how three years on, she still is blaming the UPCI for everything wrong with her.
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08-15-2019, 05:07 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
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It amazes me how three years on, she still is blaming the UPCI for everything wrong with her.
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ILG and Lois, two good examples of wound lickers.
People need to move on, get over it already. They claim they moved on from us. But lo and behold they are talking about issues that are like 30 years old.
Seriously? I met an individual who saw my family and then walked over to me and started telling me how they "use to be" UPCI. They went into a long soliloquy of how legalistic, and WRONG the UPCI was, how they needed to leave. Come to find out that was 40 years ago? I then asked him was this horrifying sad tale of woe supposed to encourage me to follow him into a brighter day? I just asked him what was his purpose to come over and give me his ecclesiastical tales from the crypt? He didn't know what to say. But I told him, to think about 40 years of unresolved issues with a group. How he would go out of his way to approach a stranger would be so driven to muck up bad feelings. Bad feelings to a stranger who obviously is still a part of the religion he left so long ago. Every man's burden is the heaviest, and people of all walks of life are going through it from time to time. Yet, telling me that I should get rid of my pitbull because your's bit you, has hardly any impact on me. I just haven't the same experiences. I know, I know, the pastor burned you with cigarettes, made you tithe 100%, and made everyone move to Guyana. But, listen, that didn't happen to me, and even when things went sideways in the Apostolic church, I still made it through, and learned that not everything that claims Apostolic Pentecostal will enter the kingdom of heaven. Like I always say, my best day in the world, cannot even compare to my worst day in the Apostolic Pentecostal movement.
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08-15-2019, 05:15 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
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my best day in the world, cannot even compare to my worst day in the Apostolic Pentecostal movement.
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Even in my own life I agree with this.
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08-15-2019, 11:11 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
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I just see a hurting person. She needs to understand that for us, somebody that used to be (or appear to be) so faithful, when they backslide, it is a tragedy.
You can't understand holiness unless it comes from a committed heart to Jesus. If you don't have it, you won't understand it and your flesh will keep pushing in the opposite direction, hence the "relief" she felt after dropping it.
Regarding that Post on Facebook, how do people find those gems? I have to see the context in which that was said, though. Anyways, I know that may be a real thing, hypocrites are everywhere.
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08-16-2019, 06:00 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
I know some pastors I would not sit under! However I know some that are kind, understanding and merciful....
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08-16-2019, 08:28 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
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You mean like Cain, who just offered what he needed to offer minus attention to God. While probably Abel was on his face in worship when he gave his offering. The Church opposed to the Judaic Israelit system of the first century. Where circumcision instead of Holy Ghost was the focus. Having Church minus God? Matthew 23:23 shows us that tithe of even the littlest items was comedialble. But they did it religiously whether God approved or not. The tithe only worked if it was done out of sincere love, and mercy.
So did anyone read this book? Legalism to grace ism?
Is it about sloppy agape? Greasy grace? How to have a bless me club while the pastor preaches barefoot?
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Here is her blog:
https://findingmyfreedomdoingmylife.wordpress.com/
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08-16-2019, 09:15 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
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I know some pastors I would not sit under! However I know some that are kind, understanding and merciful....
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I couldn't agree more!
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08-16-2019, 09:22 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
Why do so many people feel the need to "blog" about how bad they had it? Whether religion, family, marriage, dating, employment, whatever, seems like almost everybody wants to wallow in the past? Goes along with the felt need to maintain live updates on what one had for lunch, or which pair of socks one is wearing right now, blah blah blah. The farcebook generation has got to be the most coddled, incompetent, helpless, weak, needy, infantile generation of humans ever.
Naturally, I'll be accused of being insensitive, a bully, mean, uncaring, unfeeling, etc. Whoop dee doo.
Too much pearl clutching and not enough getoverit in this day and age. When the intardnet shuts off it'll just about be the best thing to happen since Pentecost.
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08-16-2019, 11:35 PM
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Re: From legalism to grace. Anyone read this book
I was freed from sin through Jesus Christ in this apostolic pentecostal movement. Makes me wonder what people are freeing themselves from when they are freeing themselves from freedom? Being free from legalism? I think they mean free from God and back bound with sin. I am free to party all night and do everything I want to do, but I thank God He freed me from the desire to want to relive that old lifestyle. People are free from sin to live for God, or they are free from God to live for sin. What is this lady really teaching freedom from.
I was recently at the park playing volley ball with our church youth, and suddenly we were overtaken by our city football team's "meet the players" picnic. I didn't want to hang around long with our church youth after they showed up. Girls in bikinis and shirtless guys wanting to play volleyball and we are viewed as legalistic because we teach modesty at our church. People that want to be free are ussually people who just want to live like the rest of this sin sick world. Just be like the rest.
I grew up strict and I felt bound by the church because I didn't have the goods in my heart. I wanted what I thought the world had. I later found out how destructive living in sin was. I thank God that I am not living that life of gratifying the flesh. What some people call legalism is really what I call boundaries. I have boundaries because I want to protect what God has given me.
ladies cutting their hair
Men letting their hair grow long
ladies wearing make up
ladies wearing pants
Men wearing dresses
Enjoying hollywood's latest
mixed public swimming
tattos
pearcings
drinking
smoking
cursing
and the list goes on and on.
These are just some of the things that we are called legalistic for abstaining from. I really just don't want any of this in my life. Evidently one person's freedom is another person's bondage.
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