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Old 05-05-2019, 03:22 PM
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Are you saying Christ has NOT won your heart?
Is that really what you got out of my response?
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Old 05-05-2019, 03:56 PM
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Is that really what you got out of my response?
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I also don’t know what “Jesus winning my heart” means.
Has Christ won your heart? To me this is pretty easy. Christ won my heart. Thats why I serve him.

We love him because he first loved us. No one can come to Jesus unless the Father DRAWS HIM.

His kindness leads us to repentance. He manifests himself to us. We believe in him.

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Old 05-05-2019, 04:14 PM
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Has Christ won your heart? To me this is pretty easy. Christ won my heart. Thats why I serve him.

We love him because he first loved us. No one can come to Jesus unless the Father DRAWS HIM.

His kindness leads us to repentance. He manifests himself to us. We believe in him.
If me telling you that I think the analogy is backwards — and it IS backwards based on the scripture YOU posted — makes you question my salvation, I don’t believe there is much more I can add to this conversation.

Have a wonderful evening, Brother Michael.
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Old 05-05-2019, 07:50 PM
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If me telling you that I think the analogy is backwards — and it IS backwards based on the scripture YOU posted — makes you question my salvation, I don’t believe there is much more I can add to this conversation.

Have a wonderful evening, Brother Michael.
Keep in mind you are talking to a guy who measures his spirituality by the potato sack he wears.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:00 PM
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Keep in mind you are talking to a guy who measures his spirituality by the potato sack he wears.
Yeah, I won’t be losing any sleep over this thread. I’ll wonder for a while about how differently I apparently think than others on here, but I won’t be losing any sleep.
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:19 PM
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We need to pay more attention to the lyrics and be more intentional about what we choose to listen to. Saying "it is what it is" "relax and worship" doesn't work.
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Old 05-07-2019, 02:14 PM
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We need to pay more attention to the lyrics and be more intentional about what we choose to listen to. Saying "it is what it is" "relax and worship" doesn't work.
Did God ever break his rules for people? Did you read what Jesus said here?

Mark 2:23-26

23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

Did Jesus approve of David breaking the rules that day? Did he break the rules by not killing his disciples when they picked the corn that day?

How about when David committed adultery and murder?

What was the penalty for thoses sins? Is not the rule that if one commits adultery they shall be slain? Is not the rule that if one committed murder he himself would be killed?

Did God break his rules for David?

2 Sam. 12:13

13And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Did God break his rules that David might live?

Has God ever been willing to break his rule for mercy and love?

Duet 24:1-4

1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:


Jeremiah 3:1

1They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

God said he WOULD take Israel back even after saying that is an abomination.

So my question is DOES God ever break his rules to save his people?

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Old 05-07-2019, 03:42 PM
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NO! God has not broken His law. He will not break His law.

You've somehow twisted Grace and Forgiveness and turned that into God breaking His law.

Do you understand the difference? Do you understand the problem of thinking Grace is God breaking His law?
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NO! God has not broken His law. He will not break His law.

You've somehow twisted Grace and Forgiveness and turned that into God breaking His law.

Do you understand the difference? Do you understand the problem of thinking Grace is God breaking His law?
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So my question is DOES God ever break his rules to save his people?
NO MIKE!!!!

GOD NEVER BROKE HIS LAW.

Your Mr Spaceman Eschatology has rotted your focus of Apostolic Soteriology. .

Did you actually wear the sackcloth?

Or smoke you some sackcloth?
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