2 Peter 3

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I'm more interested in the fruit of the Spirit than the signs mentioned in Mark.

The world goes not well, but his kingdom is coming.

Be of good cheer, our President Donald J Trump is going to make America Great Again!!!!

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom,

Do you agree that "the promise of his coming" refers to the coming of Jesus Christ to gather together his saints and grant them eternal life?

And that is the same event as the day of the Lord coming like a thief?

If we can agree on that perhaps we can talk.

[Michael The Disciple]

Why didn't Peter inform them that it wasn't going to happen during their time? That all they had to do is endure until their death where they would fall asleep? When they would wake up would be a better day.

Peter was like the rest of us. He didn't know the day or the hour of Christs coming. He believed it to be soon as anyone in a given generation should.

Yet he allowed for the fact it could be a long time from our perspective, thus his statement about 1000 years being a day or a day being 1000 years.

If one dies before Christ comes, yes they will awake to a new and better day at the resurrection!

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.This isn't speaking of a second advent, because these individuals are "wicked scoffers" are Judeans who were mocking the Christians about Messiah.

Woops! So Peter in your opinion is NOT writing to the saints to encourage them not to give up on the promise of his coming?


You seem to be saying the epistle Peter wrote was written to unbelieving Jews? Not to the saints? It would seem to me his teaching would be irrelevant to unbelievers, and that his point is to encourage the believers who were still expecting Jesus to come..

Number 1, the Judeans Christians were dealing with Judeans who mainly didn't believe Jesus was the Christ. So, when the first century Judean Christians would inform their fellow Judeans about a second advent, they didn't even believe that Jesus was the first advent.

These Judeans would of also know that Genesis 8:21 said that GOD would not curse the earth anymore for man's sake, that every living thing would suffer because of man. God would never destroy all life (the creatures) other than man anymore. Genesis 9:11 speaks of God's promise to not destroy all flesh with a flood. Doesn't say He would destroy it with any other means?

Well in this very letter we are discussing he is warning his audience that God IS going to destroy the Earth again. Thats one of his main points. As it was in Noahs time it will not be destroyed in the sense of no flesh being left alive. Jesus will RESTORE the Earth that he has smitten.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Amanah

And, everyone is so freaking fat. people are not healthy, but they are stuffing their faces with cookies, and candies, and cakes and pies.

Have ye made peanut brittle since ye believed?

[Michael The Disciple]

No, the first mention must be followed, and in Genesis 8:21 the Judeans that Peter is speaking to understood that GOD wouldn't destroy everything because it doesn't motivate man to do anything. Then one might say well, it is over, wicked man is wiped out?

I believe the threats of judgment and destruction DO motivate man to do things. Not everyone of course but some. Jesus preached a lot of judgment in his ministry.

Peter believed the lines he wrote about judgment and destruction WOULD motivate his audience.

He says after giving them such a warning:

2 Peter 3:11-12

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat

Again, the comfort would of been focused on going to sleep in the grave with the fathers. Therefore in awakening the storm would be passed.

The resurrection of the dead is certainly the blessed hope. But itself is connected to the COMING of Jesus.

1 Thess 4:13-18

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[Michael The Disciple]

The wicked were the ORIGINAL Judeans who refused to hold faithful to the law, who used the temple as a talisman, who rejected the son of the vineyard, murdering all the Master of the vineyard sent, but sealing their fate by murdering His only aire.

So in your opinion Peters second letter has no relevance for TODAYS BELIEVERS?

There is no wicked around today that are taunting Christians by saying "where is the promise of his coming?

[Michael The Disciple]

Where does Peter indicate that he and his readers would not see these events? 1,000 years are but a day? The promise of His coming, isn't the second advent, but the first advent. Peter is speaking to Judeans who not only doubted a second advent, but a first, because they didn't believe that JESUS was the Christ. Why would they even entertain a return if they didn't even believe He arrived?

Peter said he was going to die. He knew this was going to happen. He said the Lord showed him. On the other hand he does NOT tell his readers they would not see the coming of Christ. It was in play for them.

They were supposed to, while hoping it would be soon, remember that it might still be a long time. That is the crux of his message to the saints.

You say 2nd Peter is NOT the coming of Jesus like a thief for his people. Rather it is somehow his first coming to unbelievers. If so they will be defeated and judged by Jesus when he comes.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Have ye made peanut brittle since ye believed?

Yeah, but we were shown the way of God more perfectly.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Will the earth be destroyed by fire?

The world order of Noah's day was destroyed by water, the earth itself was not destroyed. Society was wiped out, but the physical earth itself wasn't obliterated.