Learn your gifts

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

I would say no. Otherwise, there would be something written to provide that information, in the Scripture. There is no record of Jesus or any apostle teaching people how to learn to use a gift of the Spirit, in the sense you are speaking of.

[houston]

what is with the hands in the background?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I would say no. Otherwise, there would be something written to provide that information, in the Scripture. There is no record of Jesus or any apostle teaching people how to learn to use a gift of the Spirit, in the sense you are speaking of.

my thoughts about it

[jediwill83]

Bout to head out for work but Id like to comment throughout the day when I can.


As a precursor to things Ill post later let me ask a few questions.


Is there a difference in OT miracles and power displayed by prophets and men of God of that period of time and the power of the Spirit that a New Covenant believer has?


How did the disciples learn to operate in power and authority?


Who was their example?


What did Paul tell the Corinthians "concerning spitituals"?


Is the operation of the "gifts" in the New Testament believer governed by some of the same "rules" given in the OT concerning the office of the prophet?


Did Jesus operate in "gifts" or did He operate in the Spirit?


Is that same Spirit in us?


Wouldn't that be the example the disciples saw and based their behavior on and thus taught the early church?


Isnt what we call "gifts" just a manifestation of Christ?


It would stand to reason that the more we grow up in Him and let Him manifest through us, the more we would see that power demonstrated.


Is it about seeking annointing and power we do nit already have? Or is it about flowing in what we already have when we are Spirit filled?

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Bout to head out for work but Id like to comment throughout the day when I can.


As a precursor to things Ill post later let me ask a few questions.


Is there a difference in OT miracles and power displayed by prophets and men of God of that period of time and the power of the Spirit that a New Covenant believer has?
I would say there is no difference, God is that same Spirit working in both.

How did the disciples learn to operate in power and authority?
I think their relationship with Jesus and the indwelling of His Spirit gave them the power and authority.

Who was their example?
Jesus was the example and the were led of the Spirit.

What did Paul tell the Corinthians "concerning spitituals"?
do you mean like "old negro spirituals"?LOL JK Paul said many things, Paul taught about keeping things in order, not to let things get out of hand for the sake of the unbeliever. He taught that the Gifts of the Spirit are for the edification of the church to strengthen the faith of the believer. Paul taught that all gifts are by the same Spirit. among other things.

Is the operation of the "gifts" in the New Testament believer governed by some of the same "rules" given in the OT concerning the office of the prophet?
Not sure what the rules are concerning prophets. I do believe that gifts of the spirit are for all believers to benefit from. not everyone was a prophet.

Did Jesus operate in "gifts" or did He operate in the Spirit?
I think you answered in your next question.

Is that same Spirit in us?
Absolutely!!!

Wouldn't that be the example the disciples saw and based their behavior on and thus taught the early church?
thats a good observation and a great question. That would definitely be eye opening as to the motive why we should be seeking God to use us.

Isnt what we call "gifts" just a manifestation of Christ?
I think your correct manifestation, demonstration etc.

It would stand to reason that the more we grow up in Him and let Him manifest through us, the more we would see that power demonstrated.


Is it about seeking annointing and power we do nit already have? Or is it about flowing in what we already have when we are Spirit filled?

I think its more about relationship relationship relationship. Sometimes i think we should define terms. anointing, what is meant when you say anointing? Are you referring to a separate power, or feeling? When God filled you "poured His Spirit into you" he anointed you. I would tend to lean more toward the latter of your question being more beneficial to the church.

These are just for what its worth short opinions to your great questions.

[Amanah]

The Holy Ghost within us is a treasure in an earthen vessel.
That vessel must be broken, the flesh must be under submission, through the word, prayer, fasting, and obedience, submission to authority for us to be led of the Spirit. Jesus is our example.

Luke 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

[Amanah]

Anointing Without Adjustments by Doug White

[Michael The Disciple]

At the time I received the Holy Ghost April 3 1974, I also received a prophetic gift. I was truly amazed as I was not seeking it. I had repented Feb. 15 and turned from darkness to light.

I had not yet began to go to Church and had been neither in a Pentecostal or Charismatic Church in my life. All I knew was I loved Jesus.

I began to have prophetic dreams. They would usually come to pass in the next few days although later an expanse of time would sometimes pass before they were fulfilled.

I have a journal with over a hundred dreams that have come to pass over the years. So my experience is that no one taught me about the gift. It just happened and the way I knew it was real was when it would come to pass.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by houston

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

Yes, there is.

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal."

If a person's total desire to be used in the gifts is centered on love for the Kingdom of God and love for the people, they won't be shipwrecked.

I have known people who simply want to be used, but don't realize that the most important thing is not the gifts, but the love we have while being used in them.

How do we love? Being filled with His Spirit, of course, but also staying in communication with God as He renews our love and takes away our fears. When that happens, it is easier to be a channel to bless and strengthen the people of God and to show any visitor that this is what the Kingdom is about - power and love.

[n david]

IMO a lot of "prophetic" declarations from evangelists to saints are simply them repeating what they were told by the Pastor before the service began. And a lot of "prophetic" dreams are the result of bad eating before going to bed.

Honestly, I don't believe most who claim to be a prophet or prophetic.