"Food Insecurity" Issue

[Esaias]

Our system rewards, supports, and sustains those who are incapable of fending for themselves. So, cut off the welfare, and a whole mess of people either figure out how to take care of themselves, or they die off.

Nobody has the brass to actually demand "if any will not work, neither shall he eat." Our easily manipulated sense of pity is what's largely to blame for the mess we're in.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Our system rewards, supports, and sustains those who are incapable of fending for themselves. So, cut off the welfare, and a whole mess of people either figure out how to take care of themselves, or they die off.

Nobody has the brass to actually demand "if any will not work, neither shall he eat." Our easily manipulated sense of pity is what's largely to blame for the mess we're in.

Before there was State Welfare there was only the church where one could find a meal. Pacific Garden Mission is one that comes to mind, and obviously the Roman Catholics. Yet, the State wanted to take over and now we can see where that got us.

[Aquila]

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should HE eat.

The onus is on able bodied men. Not abandoned or widowed women, orphans, elderly, the sick, the disabled, struggling families, etc.

Able bodied men who refuse to work, and shirk responsibility towards their families, shouldn't receive charity or welfare.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should HE eat.

The onus is on able bodied men. Not abandoned or widowed women, orphans, elderly, the sick, the disabled, struggling families, etc.

Able bodied men who refuse to work, and shirk responsibility towards their families, shouldn't receive charity or welfare.

Bernie disagrees.
https://medium.com/basic-income/on-t...e-de9162fb3b5c

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Bernie disagrees.
https://medium.com/basic-income/on-t...e-de9162fb3b5c

I don't agree with Sanders on everything. I think adjusting minimum wage is an idea to consider.

[Esaias]

Are minimum wage laws Biblical?

Matthew 20:11-15 seems to suggest an employer may pay whatever he thinks best, assuming an employee agrees to it. "Is it not lawful" the employer asks, to pay whatever he and an employee agree upon? The implied answer is "Yes, it is lawful". The man "did no wrong" according to Jesus.

So it seems that state-mandated wage controls are not in fact Lawful.

Furthermore, I can't find the article in the Constitution which grants the federal government authority to impose a minimum wage across the board on private parties?

Anyway, one of the primary causes of low and stagnant wages is cheap immigrant labour and "free trade" (cheap foreign labour). Two policies promoted and enforced by both the democrud and the republitwit parties. Libtard and conservatard policies are what is killing the nation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are minimum wage laws Biblical?

Matthew 20:11-15 seems to suggest an employer may pay whatever he thinks best, assuming an employee agrees to it. "Is it not lawful" the employer asks, to pay whatever he and an employee agree upon? The implied answer is "Yes, it is lawful". The man "did no wrong" according to Jesus.

So it seems that state-mandated wage controls are not in fact Lawful.

Furthermore, I can't find the article in the Constitution which grants the federal government authority to impose a minimum wage across the board on private parties?

Anyway, one of the primary causes of low and stagnant wages is cheap immigrant labour and "free trade" (cheap foreign labour). Two policies promoted and enforced by both the democrud and the republitwit parties. Libtard and conservatard policies are what is killing the nation.

Wages can be suppressed by industries that collude together to keep wages low, leaving workers needing both parents working 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. What does that do to the family? It reduces them to "wage slaves". Children rarely see mom and dad, kids always under another's care, or alone to fend for themselves. It's oppression. You seem to forget that before minimum wage, many working people lived in shanty towns, working multiple jobs for nickels and dimes, children were taken out of school and had to work in dangerous factory conditions, etc.

God hates such oppression because it crushes families.

Malachi 3:5
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

If employers were Christian and paid a living wage, there would be no need for laws like minimum wage to protect workers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wages can be suppressed by industries that collude together to keep wages low, leaving workers needing both parents working 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. What does that do to the family? It reduces them to "wage slaves". Children rarely see mom and dad, kids always under another's care, or alone to fend for themselves. It's oppression. You seem to forget that before minimum wage, many working people lived in shanty towns, working multiple jobs for nickels and dimes, children were taken out of school and had to work in dangerous factory conditions, etc.

God hates such oppression because it crushes families.

Malachi 3:5
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

If employers were Christian and paid a living wage, there would be no need for laws like minimum wage to protect workers.

Low-paying jobs are designed for unskilled (usually young, first-time) workers in order to enable them to acquire skills and move up in the payscale. But with the influx of cheap foreign labour even jobs that require high skill levels are kept at low-wage rates.

Kevin Craig, one of your "Christian anarchist" types running for office, details exhaustively the fallacy of minimum wage laws. He also documents how unions support minimum wage laws, not because they care about the po folks, but because it keeps their own wages high and provides for a reason for the unions to continue to exist.

Another factor that contributes to the situation is the fact that families no longer apprentice their sons in the family business like they used to. Several entire generations bought the lie that the goal in life is to get a good job at some big corporation and retire in their 60s and coast on into the great beyond in relative comfort. Thus leaving nothing of substance for their children and grandchildren.

The slow motion train wreck that is our current economy will continue to provide some correction, as families are now staying together more than they used to, and as people seek for alternative ways to live besides the corporate rat race.

Of course, we still have tons of people who just want someone else to solve their problems, but those people are slowly but surely on the way out.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wages can be suppressed by industries that collude together to keep wages low, leaving workers needing both parents working 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. What does that do to the family? It reduces them to "wage slaves". Children rarely see mom and dad, kids always under another's care, or alone to fend for themselves. It's oppression. You seem to forget that before minimum wage, many working people lived in shanty towns, working multiple jobs for nickels and dimes, children were taken out of school and had to work in dangerous factory conditions, etc.

God hates such oppression because it crushes families.

Malachi 3:5
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

If employers were Christian and paid a living wage, there would be no need for laws like minimum wage to protect workers.

What is a "living wage"?

[Esaias]

Who here has actually employed people, or been in a position where you directly contributed to other's employment options (like managed a payroll for a business, or actually hired people to do work)?

I tend to find that most people with vocal opinions have no experience in the areas they like to pontificate on...