The lying Prophet

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The ex-anything group are always focused on what they left behind.
Therefore they punish those who they believe are still involved in those areas.
If they even think you are even alluding to standards, you start hearing this tune......

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

One of the saddest stories in the bible, is the story of Man of God who was deceived by a lying prophet (1 Kings 13)

David's son Solomon was led into idolatry because of his many wives and concubines, he worship Baal, and Moloch, and all the detestable gods of the heathen's that the Lord commanded should not be worshipped.

God told him that the Kingdom would be rent from his son and only Judah would remain because of the Lord's promise to David.

Jeroboam was given the Kingship over the 10 rent tribes in Samaria. Because of his lust for power he instituted idols and a false priesthood.

God sent a Man to prophesy against the false religion:



The Man of God delivered the message and refused to eat with the King, but continued on his way home, so far so good.

But then the story takes another sad turn, when an Old Prophet lies to him and convinces his to disobey God:



This poor Man of God, could not be deceived by the world, that was too obvious, but he was deceived by a lying prophet to his destruction:



The most curious thing about this passage, is that the lying prophet knew he was lying, knew he was destroying the Man of God, but did it anyway, seems to be compelled to do it, and seemed to deeply regret it:

Back to the subject...

We had a family discussion about this not too long ago. A few ideas that were brought up:

The lying prophet may not have been lying, per se. He may have actually sincerely believed he heard from God. The prophet that was sent should have known better, however, for he was told not to turn aside from his mission.

As to why the lying prophet would have believed he had heard from God, one reason could be that God did indeed tell him to meet the prophet and invite him over for dinner. Why would God do that? To test the prophet He sent? Maybe, although it was pointed out that God does not tempt anyone to do evil (per James). So perhaps the prophet that was sent had some sin issues that God was going to visit, and this scenario was the mechanism that God used (see for example the story of Micaiah and the "lying spirit" God had sent to the king's prophets, to cause him to make a bad decision and fall, in punishment).

Various other speculations were entertained, but the ultimate takeaway was that if God gives you instructions, DO NOT DEVIATE, even if someone shows up with an "updated word from God".

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Back to the subject...

We had a family discussion about this not too long ago. A few ideas that were brought up:

The lying prophet may not have been lying, per se. He may have actually sincerely believed he heard from God. The prophet that was sent should have known better, however, for he was told not to turn aside from his mission.

As to why the lying prophet would have believed he had heard from God, one reason could be that God did indeed tell him to meet the prophet and invite him over for dinner. Why would God do that? To test the prophet He sent? Maybe, although it was pointed out that God does not tempt anyone to do evil (per James). So perhaps the prophet that was sent had some sin issues that God was going to visit, and this scenario was the mechanism that God used (see for example the story of Micaiah and the "lying spirit" God had sent to the king's prophets, to cause him to make a bad decision and fall, in punishment).

Various other speculations were entertained, but the ultimate takeaway was that if God gives you instructions, DO NOT DEVIATE, even if someone shows up with an "updated word from God".

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Back to the subject...

We had a family discussion about this not too long ago. A few ideas that were brought up:

The lying prophet may not have been lying, per se. He may have actually sincerely believed he heard from God. The prophet that was sent should have known better, however, for he was told not to turn aside from his mission.

As to why the lying prophet would have believed he had heard from God, one reason could be that God did indeed tell him to meet the prophet and invite him over for dinner. Why would God do that? To test the prophet He sent? Maybe, although it was pointed out that God does not tempt anyone to do evil (per James). So perhaps the prophet that was sent had some sin issues that God was going to visit, and this scenario was the mechanism that God used (see for example the story of Micaiah and the "lying spirit" God had sent to the king's prophets, to cause him to make a bad decision and fall, in punishment).

Various other speculations were entertained, but the ultimate takeaway was that if God gives you instructions, DO NOT DEVIATE, even if someone shows up with an "updated word from God".

makes sense to me

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The ex-anything group are always focused on what they left behind.
Therefore they punish those who they believe are still involved in those areas.
If they even think you are even alluding to standards, you start hearing this tune......

Not all of us! I won't go back, but I won't trade where I walked

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I started a standards thread, lol? awesome.

Always the most Important issues first Sis...

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The ex-anything group are always focused on what they left behind.
Therefore they punish those who they believe are still involved in those areas.
If they even think you are even alluding to standards, you start hearing this tune......

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work."..

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Not all of us! I won't go back, but I won't trade where I walked

But what does that mean to me?

No offense to you personally, but I don't believe any of it. I don't salute walking away from One God, and Jesus name baptism. It's not that I don't understand it, because people leave for a plethora of reasons. Standards being a microscopic portion. The Apostolic Holiness movement taught me one priceless thing. Truth.

Everyone doesn't agree, it isn't because they don't have truth. It is about there thoughts and feelings towards life. Their human experiences, love, hate, fear, what is out there, do I personally care? That is why it is a little flock, a narrow path, a strait gate, a few who enter in. Standing away from the chess board gives us better view. We move too fast, days, months, even years go whizzing by. 2007 was long ago, but that is just this forum. People have come, people have left more than this forum. If I am the last man standing, so be it. But I just don't believe that people can't understand that Bible. I listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer and i'm amused that he even believes half the things he says about the New Testament. But I also listen to Christian radio and they are lying as much as the rabbi.

Again, navygoat1998 I love you, I like you, which is a great combination in my book. But I don't believe the Trinitarianism Industrial Church Complex.
In 10 more years God only knows where that ship is going to end up, on rocks, on waves, or at the bottom of the deep end.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

what are your thoughts on this passage?

My thoughts are that while we are too smart to be deceived by the King, we are in danger from false religion that tells us to come and eat at their table, they hear from God and worship God just like we do, right?

The problem though was that the lying prophet wasn't "false religion", he was covenanted to God, too, and after the man of God disobeys the LORD, he, the lying prophet, accurately speaks a word from YHVH about it all.

So, the warning here seems to be that, even within the faith, among the children of God, there are people who might lead you astray, do just so, watch you fall, then go on to prophesy again, seemingly no worse for wear, while you and a lion go at it.

Therefore, when God has spoken to you and given you a commandment, what to say, what to do, you dare not depart or deviate from it, no matter who says otherwise, even if the person speaking to you is an otherwise covenanted prophet of the Most High.

In such a light, consider Paul and Agabus and the churches all (seemingly) telling Paul to not go up to Jerusalem.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The problem though was that the lying prophet wasn't "false religion", he was covenanted to God, too, and after the man of God disobeys the LORD, he, the lying prophet, accurately speaks a word from YHVH about it all.

So, the warning here seems to be that, even within the faith, among the children of God, there are people who might lead you astray, do just so, watch you fall, then go on to prophesy again, seemingly no worse for wear, while you and a lion go at it.

Therefore, when God has spoken to you and given you a commandment, what to say, what to do, you dare not depart or deviate from it, no matter who says otherwise, even if the person speaking to you is an otherwise covenanted prophet of the Most High.

In such a light, consider Paul and Agabus and the churches all (seemingly) telling Paul to not go up to Jerusalem.