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Old 06-19-2018, 11:52 AM
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Benzodiazepines (probably spelled that wrong.) and Alcohol are the 2 worse drugs known to man. The only 2 drugs that can kill you from going cold turkey. If your heart wouldve been weak they could've killed you.

I was addicted to xanex and valium for years Dr. Got me hooked. Let me prescribe myself wrote out a script and let me go. Biggest drug dealers ever!
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:57 AM
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There are no medicinal benefits to psychotropic hallucinogenic plants and fungi.
Eh, that's your opinion. There are studies that disagree. As far as hallucinogenics, studies are showing that those with terminal conditions who suffer from excessive anxiety benefit from "shrooms". Apparently after taking "shrooms" subjects had a sense of resolution and peace about their impending death and return to their spiritual roots. Scientists are still researching the biochemical nature of this shift in their mental state.

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Anyone suffering from any form of emotional issues.
While the source of emotion is still beyond the scope of science, we do know that emotions are effected by various biochemical processes in the brain.

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The same way Jesus can heal sickness, and disease.
Jesus is a healer. But Jesus doesn't heal everyone all the time. Else, we'd never see believers in the hospital, taking chemo, or needing any form of treatments for things such as diabetes, etc. If Jesus healed 100% of the time, we'd put hospitals out of business.

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Deliver an drug addict or alcoholic. Jesus can heal what someone would resort to psychotropic hallucinogenic plants and fungi to heal.
Amen. But let's not deny that both natural and synthetic substances have been used to heal what Jesus chooses not to miraculously heal.

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Medical marijuana is a bad aid on a bullet wound. Medical Marijuana stores is something everyone was looking forward to back in 1978. This isn't any Johnny come lately, this was already in the works. Drugs open doors to places that God never intended us to go.
Superstition.

If God never intended cannabis to be used medicinally, why did God design the endocannabinoid system to specifically respond to cannabinoids found in cannabis?

Balms, salves, herbs, teas, and even incense, were used medicinally and therapeutically in biblical times. Those who understood how to make such things were known as apothecaries. No where does the Bible condemn their use unless associated with pagan deities and pagan worship.

In Genesis we read,
Genesis 1:11-12
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Every grass, herb, and tree was created by God, and God saw that it was good. Not a single plant was deemed as being sinful.

We also read,
Genesis 1:29
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Here, God gives every plant upon all the face of the earth for man's consumption. No exceptions.

Now, this doesn't mean that various plants, or plant based substances, shouldn't be handled cautiously or judiciously. In addition, a plant shouldn't be considered sinful just because we don't currently know the beneficial purpose of the given plant or substance. Nor should it be considered sinful merely because we don't fully understand its effects. What is necessary is inquiry, examination, study, and research. There is a good possibility that as we speak, tomorrow's cure for cancer is currently residing in a prohibited plant or substance. Think of the untold numbers who have suffered and died because research on the medicinal qualities of a given substance was halted due to superstition. So, in my opinion, an open mind is necessary if we are to take God seriously about His creating plant life and finding it, good.

This also doesn't mean that self-control isn't necessary. We know that wine comes from fermented grapes. We know that wine was used to cleanse wounds, to ease the fears and pain of the dying, as a drink offering, and as an intoxicant to bring joy to the hearts of men in celebrations such as feast days and weddings. However, allowing one's life to slip into a state of drunkenness is indeed a sin.

The Bible calls for moderation concerning wine and strong drink. And so this principle would apply to any other intoxicant. Like wine, cannabis has been shown to have medicinal use. For example, it relieves symptoms relating to AIDS, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, Crohn’s disease, epilepsy or another seizure disorder, fibromyalgia, glaucoma, hepatitis C, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, pain that is either chronic and severe or intractable, Parkinson’s disease, positive status for HIV, PTSD, sickle cell anemia, spinal cord disease or injury, Tourette’s syndrome, traumatic brain injury, ulcerative colitis, or many others. And again, like wine, it has been used as an intoxicant.

Interestingly, one cannot overdose on cannabis. And so, it's safer than wine or strong drink. Also, aside from the "high" one gets upon initially taking cannabis in some forms, there have not yet been any significant negative side effects found (which is common in many powerful prescription medications).

So, I see room for disagreement, and room to allow individual conviction to govern the use of cannabis as it relates to medicine and health.

The superstitious paranoia about cannabis is actually more prevalent than the "paranoia" cannabis is often accused of producing. Also, when dealing with cannabis, there are many different strains of Sativa and Indica. If one strain produces an undesirable effect, another might be more fitting. In states where it is legal medical doctors and specialists in cannabis can assist any individual looking for the strain of cannabis that is right for themselves and their condition. No, cannabis isn't for everyone. But it has appeared to help thousands of not millions of people world wide (considering other nations wherein medical cannabis is legal).

Superstition is a terrible thing. It is fed by fear and ignorance. Many don't know it but there was a period of about 300 years wherein coffee was deemed an illegal substance. In Islamic countries the stimulating effect was seen as intoxicating and it was condemned. Eventually, this prohibition was lifted as coffee use spread in underground coffee shops. In Europe, Popes and kings condemned it as the "devil's drink" and it faced additional prohibition. Fake science was also employed to slander the bean. Eventually, however, coffee began being consumed in secret coffee shops and penny shops throughout Europe. Periodicals on the social dangers of coffee were common place. Women in England even wrote a periodical condemning coffee, blaming it for the destruction of families. People were arrested, killed, and even exiled over the sale and proliferation of coffee. However, as it became more prevalent throughout European society, royalty, and even clergy began drinking it. Soon, the prohibitions were lifted and the free sale and consumption of coffee flourished.

Does this brief history of coffee sound familiar? Of course it does. Due to men's ignorance and superstition we're doomed to repeat history over and over again in new contexts. I predict that in 30 to 40 years cannabis will have been legalized long enough that most Americans will look back at all the misinformation, incarceration, bloodshed, and billions of dollars spent to combat it... and think... "All of that over this plant?"

So, let's move beyond our fears and superstitions and allow open research and inquiry on cannabis. It's use in cancer research is actually astounding some scientists. Who knows... if we can get beyond the fear and ignorance regarding this, we might discover the cure for cancer.

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Old 06-19-2018, 12:26 PM
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Re: Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

Oh, and then there is the possible connection between cannabis and the biblical "kaneh" and "kaneh-bosem" as it relates to the holy anointing oil, the incense used in the tent of meeting, and that was a rather valued commodity throughout Palestine and the surrounding region throughout ancient times.
There is a man who has reproduced the holy anointing oil described in the OT using all the various ingredients that have been believed to have been in it. Only the oil in which he included cannabis in place of "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23) produced any marked medicinal effect on patients suffering from skin conditions, lesions, and problems relating to diabetes.

Some scholars believe that "calamus" is a mistranslation of the Greek "κάνναβις", or was perhaps purposely used in the text to keep the main ingredient of the anointing oil a secret.

I just thought these were interesting additions to the topic, seeing that some say that there is no medicinal use of cannabis. And...it's directly connected to the Bible.


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Old 06-19-2018, 12:38 PM
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I was prescribed an anti anxiety drug for nausea while going through chemo, The hellacious withdrawal I went through to get off that drug was worse than surgery, chemo, and radiation combined.

I now look at the medical profession with extreme suspicion.
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Any drug that use that is made by Alchemy like Meth, PCP, pretty much any pharmaceutical drug is sorcery. The Word sorcery in the Greek is "pharmakeus" where do you think we get the word pharmacy from? And Revelations 21:8 tells you "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and SORCERERS, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

They are a gate you are taking in sorcery in your body simple and plain. Nothing superstitious about it.
I think the "sorcery" is more attributed to the pagan ritual aspect. In ancient Israel balms and salves were common, along with other medicinal remedies without condemnation.
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it was, and when I asked with help from the medical profession they told me to either go through withdrawal or stay on it. I went through months and months with no sleep, shaking, and anxiety.
Dear God, sister. That sounds like a hell on earth. My heart goes out to you.
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Many of the things being said here are revealing the greed and disregard for human well being perpetrated by the pharmaceutical industry.

I think we can all agree here that Big Pharma can't be trusted.

Is it any wonder that Big Pharma lobbies the government to keep cannabis illegal??? They know cannabis can relieve the symptoms of so many of these conditions, and without as many terrible side effects or serious addiction. And they know that a person can grow it themselves. If Big Pharma can't keep it illegal, they'll seek to legally gain control over its production and sale in some manner. This is why so many in the alternative and organic health & wellness community want to see full legalization.

It's about taking control of your own health and medication.

House church, home school, home grown. Organic living. Independence. Liberty.

That's what all of this is truly about.

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Many of the things being said here are revealing the greed and disregard for human well being perpetrated by the pharmaceutical industry.

I think we can all agree here that Big Pharma can't be trusted.

Is it any wonder that Big Pharma lobbies the government to keep cannabis illegal??? They know cannabis can relieve the symptoms of so many of these conditions, and without as many terrible side effects or serious addiction. And they know that a person can grow it themselves. If Big Pharma can't keep it illegal, they'll seek to legally gain control over its production and sale in some manner. This is why so many in the alternative and organic health & wellness community want to see full legalization.

It's about taking control of your own health and medication.

House church, home school, home grown. Organic living. Independence. Liberty.

That's what all of this is truly about.



Big Pharma is a racket...nuff said.
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I just recently had double surgeries at the same time, a "lung wedge" and two nodules removed from my stomach wall at M.D. Anderson in Houston and they sent me home with a bag of drugs, three were narcotic pain pills. I didn't take any of them because i'm scared to death of addictions. When I saw both surgeons a month later, when asked about pain management, I told them that I hadn't taken any of the narcotics, but had taken some Tylenol, the lung surgeon said "you're a tough guy" and i told him no sir I'm just scared of narcotic drugs.

The doctors most of the time mean well, but abuse in others that I know has caused me to be extra cautious.

If and when I pass from this world, I want to be in my right mind and calling on the Lord Jesus.
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