The Sealed Book

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So everyman is right in his own eyes?

Jesus and Paul taught that everything else is left up to opinion?

Where does the Bible teach us that there would only be 7,000 years of human history? If you can freely give out such information, then why didn’t Christ? Why didn’t Paul? I understand you are saying it is your opinion. But you insert it as it should be doctrine. So, why didn’t any Bible writer bring up any thoughts to a 7,000 year wrap up of history?

No elder, I do not insert this as though it should be doctrine. I am saying that this is my humble opinion based on my own studies. Jesus never told us about electricity. Paul never told us about radio wave frequencies. Do the math for yourself my friend. How much human history has transpired since Adam? Is it only coincidence that we are coming up on the 6,000th year since Adam? The light of our world was made on the 4th day. The light of the world appeared on the 4,000th year. The seven day/seven thousand year truth is verified several times in the scriptures. Nothing is left up to opinion.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!


Just a comment

When giving a Bible Study in a "series", I often ask that any questions be
withheld for the first two or three lessons of the series, because many
questions will be answered by then.
Your post seems to be leading to a series, therefore I thought it best to
reserve any questions or comments until then.

Brother Villathink it best

Thank you for your response my friend. What I posted was chapter five of my 10th book. Because of it, I will go ahead and post part of chapter six.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

You wrote....

It should here be noted that prophecy and vision always look forward in time. When John entered the spirit-zone 19 centuries ago (come up hither), it's a safe bet that everything he saw was still in the future. Moreover, if we look to the prophecies of old, we would have to consider a protracted period of time for Revelation's fulfillment, rather than a short 3 1/2 year period. God's prophecy to the serpent in Eden spans some 4,000 years. Joseph's interpretation of Pharaoh's dream, while seeming to happen in an instant, took 14 years to transpire. In the 9th chapter of Isaiah, his prophecy has a progressive fulfillment. A child is born @760 years later. A son is given @793 years later. The remainder of the prophecy takes us past the end of days and into eternity. In another short instant of time Daniel sees an image made of gold, silver, brass, iron and clay. But its fulfillment requires the rise and fall of four consecutive kingdoms on earth, over many years.

Yet in Revelation we see the Spirit say different.

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

This verse seems to speak of the past, present and the future.

I respectfully disagree friend. The things which thou hast seen seems to be talking about Rev. 1:1-18, and not the things which John hast seen throughout his lifetime.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

No elder, I do not insert this as though it should be doctrine. I am saying that this is my humble opinion based on my own studies. Jesus never told us about electricity. Paul never told us about radio wave frequencies. Do the math for yourself my friend. How much human history has transpired since Adam? Is it only coincidence that we are coming up on the 6,000th year since Adam? The light of our world was made on the 4th day. The light of the world appeared on the 4,000th year. The seven day/seven thousand year truth is verified several times in the scriptures. Nothing is left up to opinion.

Umm...so you're just gonna ignore Gen 1:3-5?

Gen 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by TGBTG;1513496

Umm...so you're just gonna ignore Gen 1:3-5?
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day

Beloved, that was NOT the light that was established on the 4th day.
The light that is mentioned on the 1st day of creation corresponds to Jn 1:14,9
which is: "In him was life; and the life was the light of men....the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

Brother Villa

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!


Beloved, that was NOT the light that was established on the 4th day.
The light that is mentioned on the 1st day of creation corresponds to Jn 1:14,9
which is: "In him was life; and the life was the light of men....the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

Brother Villa

Of course, I know Pharez was referring to the "creation of the sun on the fourth day."

My point was that the analogy falls flat since light CAME into the world on the FIRST day.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Of course, I know Pharez was referring to the "creation of the sun on the fourth day."
My point was that the analogy falls flat since light CAME into the world on the FIRST day.

OH! Went back to Pharez's post, and could not discern any discrepancy between
his post and mine. I agree that the natural light was created on the 4th day. And
yes, I must agree that "...the life was the light of men..." was established on the
very 1st day.

Bother Villa

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Sean

Can you use some historical evidence to match these verses in Rev 6, like post a verse, then evidence?

I am not hassling you, but have never heard your point of view.

Thanks.

Come and See

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

With, admittedly, no hard scriptural evidence, it still makes the most human sense that when Jesus takes the book from the right hand of the Ancient of days, He would in a single sitting break open the seven seals. Not a protracted 2,000 year seal-opening ceremony, but a single sitting event some 19 centuries ago. What we see today are the long protracted results of that event. Before John's very eyes he sees what that voice had said was: "things which must be hereafter". Jesus had already told John to write:
1.) the things which thou hast seen.
2.) the things which are.
3.) the things which shall be hereafter.
We start with the four " Come and see " horsemen. At each seal John must be told to come...and once there...to see.

Thunder announces the white horse of the first broken seal. Thunder is the prolonged after-sound of lightening. With the breaking of this seal the rider bolts from his holding cell like lightening, rolling across the landscape as thunder. The rider has an archers bow and he is given a crown. Not only does he go forth conquering and to conquer, but perhaps more importantly, he never returns as in the bottom of Zechariah.

From our own late perspective how perfectly this matches with Satan's propensity to strike at beginnings...in the garden of creation, in the earthly ministry of my Lord, and here shortly after the birth of the new covenant church. This rider conquered at his release 1900 years ago, and continues to ride and conquer today. The tares sowed shortly after the birth of the new testament church have grown in size and in respect and social standing, until as overspreading trees these denominations blanket the entire landscape. They have grown for 1900 years. The apostolic Jesus name church of Acts...the greatest of all of my Lord's many creations...becomes just one of thousands of ecclesiastic disciplines, even though it is the only true and right one. After 1900 years the true gospel from scripture, and true doctrine from scripture, are much the rare exception rather than the rule. So did my Lord at the very start of his Matthew 24 prophecy, and repeated often, command us: " let no man deceive you ".

The white horse rider comes with an army of spirits and underlings long trapped by the seal. This force has influenced global religious activities, the birth of Islam and charismatic liberalism, and all the branches of Luther, Calvin, Roman Catholic, Episcopal, the many Orthodox's, Baptist, Presbyterian, and all the twigs that sprout from these. What we witness today is the " and to conquer " of the white horse who never returned. Every false denomination born after Pentecost are the handiwork of this white horse rider. He is spiritual deception and cunning, and he is nearing the end of his ride. None today can argue his success...look around you...nor deny him his crown.

The red horse of the second seal is the spirit of war released upon the earth some 1900 years ago. Power is given to him to take peace from the earth, that men should kill one another. He too rides with an army of underlings and spirits. Since the birth of the church nearly 2,000 years ago there have been over 275 documented wars killing over a half billion souls across our planet. Men killing one another...violently, brutally, and painfully. The red horse rider has wielded well his great sword after at last being freed from the binding of his seal. He still looms large on the horizon today, because he also has never returned as in the bottom by the myrtle.

The black horse of the third seal is a spirit of famine released upon the world 1900 years ago. The history is long and horrifying, as over 350 million souls have starved to death since the birth of church. This rider also never returns as in the bottom, and still rides today. Every war from the second rider brings a famine from the third rider.

The last " Come and see " of the fourth seal introduces John to a pale horse who's rider is named death. Unlike the previous three riders, this rider has a partner riding with him. The partner's name is hell. These two...death and hell...are given power over one fourth of the earth. Today that would roughly number 1.7 billion souls. Their power is to kill with the sword, with hunger, with death, and with the beasts of the field. Again from our perspective the history of this past 1900 years is long and horrifying. Just one example is the Black Death associated with the Mongol expansion, wherein over 200 million souls lost their lives.

Adding these all up, the bottom line is that every since Jesus loosed these four spirits some 1900 years ago, they have wreaked havoc across the planet. Billions upon billions of souls have died...lost without God...and nearly the entire world is deceived at the hands of these four horsemen. They and their armies have fulfilled their mission, and it is found in our own history books.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Of course, I know Pharez was referring to the "creation of the sun on the fourth day."

My point was that the analogy falls flat since light CAME into the world on the FIRST day.

Fail to see how the analogy falls flat. The scientific, natural light of our world was created on the fourth day. It was made the ruler of the day, the ruler of light. When Jesus came into the world he proclaimed that he is the light of the world. We are called children of the day.

[thephnxman]

is NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by phareztamar

Come and See

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
With, admittedly, no hard scriptural evidence, it still makes the most human sense that when Jesus takes the book from the right hand of the Ancient of days, He would in a single sitting break open the seven seals. Not a protracted 2,000 year seal-opening ceremony, but a single sitting event some 19 centuries ago. What we see today are the long protracted results of that event. Before John's very eyes he sees what that voice had said was: "things which must be hereafter". Jesus had already told John to write:
1.) the things which thou hast seen.
2.) the things which are.
3.) the things which shall be hereafter.
We start with the four " Come and see " horsemen. At each seal John must be told to come...and once there...to see.

Thunder announces the white horse of the first broken seal. Thunder is the prolonged after-sound of lightening. With the breaking of this seal the rider bolts from his holding cell like lightening, rolling across the landscape as thunder. The rider has an archers bow and he is given a crown. Not only does he go forth conquering and to conquer, but perhaps more importantly, he never returns as in the bottom of Zechariah.
From our own late perspective how perfectly this matches with Satan's propensity to strike at beginnings...in the garden of creation, in the earthly ministry of my Lord, and here shortly after the birth of the new covenant church. This rider conquered at his release 1900 years ago, and continues to ride and conquer today. The tares sowed shortly after the birth of the new testament church have grown in size and in respect and social standing, until as overspreading trees these denominations blanket the entire landscape. They have grown for 1900 years. The apostolic Jesus name church of Acts...the greatest of all of my Lord's many creations...becomes just one of thousands of ecclesiastic disciplines, even though it is the only true and right one. After 1900 years the true gospel from scripture, and true doctrine from scripture, are much the rare exception rather than the rule. So did my Lord at the very start of his Matthew 24 prophecy, and repeated often, command us: " let no man deceive you ".

The white horse rider comes with an army of spirits and underlings long trapped by the seal. This force has influenced global religious activities, the birth of Islam and charismatic liberalism, and all the branches of Luther, Calvin, Roman Catholic, Episcopal, the many Orthodox's, Baptist, Presbyterian, and all the twigs that sprout from these. What we witness today is the " and to conquer " of the white horse who never returned. Every false denomination born after Pentecost are the handiwork of this white horse rider. He is spiritual deception and cunning, and he is nearing the end of his ride. None today can argue his success...look around you...nor deny him his crown.

The red horse of the second seal is the spirit of war released upon the earth some 1900 years ago. Power is given to him to take peace from the earth, that men should kill one another. He too rides with an army of underlings and spirits. Since the birth of the church nearly 2,000 years ago there have been over 275 documented wars killing over a half billion souls across our planet. Men killing one another...violently, brutally, and painfully. The red horse rider has wielded well his great sword after at last being freed from the binding of his seal. He still looms large on the horizon today, because he also has never returned as in the bottom by the myrtle.

The black horse of the third seal is a spirit of famine released upon the world 1900 years ago. The history is long and horrifying, as over 350 million souls have starved to death since the birth of church. This rider also never returns as in the bottom, and still rides today. Every war from the second rider brings a famine from the third rider.

The last " Come and see " of the fourth seal introduces John to a pale horse who's rider is named death. Unlike the previous three riders, this rider has a partner riding with him. The partner's name is hell. These two...death and hell...are given power over one fourth of the earth. Today that would roughly number 1.7 billion souls. Their power is to kill with the sword, with hunger, with death, and with the beasts of the field. Again from our perspective the history of this past 1900 years is long and horrifying. Just one example is the Black Death associated with the Mongol expansion, wherein over 200 million souls lost their lives.
Adding these all up, the bottom line is that every since Jesus loosed these four spirits some 1900 years ago, they have wreaked havoc across the planet. Billions upon billions of souls have died...lost without God...and nearly the entire world is deceived at the hands of these four horsemen. They and their armies have fulfilled their mission, and it is found in our own history books.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities
(white horse), against powers (red horse), against the rulers of the
darkness of this world (black horse), against spiritual wickedness in
high places (pale horse)."

Just Something to chew on.

Brother Villa