The born again experience

[Esaias]

Ye must be born again. Explained by Jesus as you must be born of water and the Spirit.

It takes water baptism and Spirit baptism, BOTH, to fulfill the words of Christ as to being born again.

One without the other is not Biblical new birth. Salvation began before the foundation of the world, was actualised on Calvary, brings us through the preached word to repentance and faith, leads us to the watery grave of baptism, fills us with the Spirit of Jesus, conforms us to His likeness, keeps us to the end, will raise us from the dead, and keep us living forever with Christ.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Esaias

Ye must be born again. Explained by Jesus as you must be born of water and the Spirit.

It takes water baptism and Spirit baptism, BOTH, to fulfill the words of Christ as to being born again.

One without the other is not Biblical new birth. Salvation began before the foundation of the world,
was actualised on Calvary, brings us through the preached word to repentance and faith,
leads us to the watery grave of baptism, fills us with the Spirit of Jesus, conforms us to His likeness,
keeps us to the end, will raise us from the dead, and keep us living forever with Christ.

I understand what you're saying
What I am saying is that SEEING the kingdom is not the same as ENTERING into
God's kingdom. Some will argue that one has to see before entering: I say that
if we look to the Israelites (shadow), we'll have a better understanding of the
"born again" experience. It is of necessity to understand the OT in the light of
the NT.

Brother Villa

[Sean]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!

Beloved, what is your thoughts, interpretation of "born again"?

Brother Villa

If I may, being born again is incomplete unless we follow Jesus through the entire death, burial and resurrection process.

However, you have a great testimony and a powerful call of God.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Firstly, Beloved: no one is denying the gospel that saves (at least, I’m not).
And I’m not concerned about a calling I may have, or not. Now this:

I submit that the Lord was NOT telling Nicodemus that he had to be “born
again”. Rather he was questioning Nicodemus about where, or if he knew,
from where he received the revelation: “…we know you are a teacher come
from God, for no man can do the works you do except God be with him.” (Jn 3:3)
Or can anyone say that Nicodemus was saved at that moment? The
revelation was true; but apparently he was not saved: Nicodemus was
using the wrong definition of “born again”!

Born --genao--: (1) be conceived; begotten; (2) be birthed; give birth.
Again –anothen--: from above (clearly implies to come from God)

Through the revelation from God, Nicodemus had received [some] truth:
and he would later become a disciple. But even satan knows [some] truth
(see Matt 4:1-9). But satan uses truth to “…steal, kill, and destroy.” That is,
to deceive by using a little truth to introduce a bigger lie!

“…he cannot SEE…”: (perceive, discern, understand) “the kingdom of God.”
When truth is given by God, it will lead to more truth: “Till we all come in
the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God…”, etc.

You mentioned the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the
way to salvation: it describes the work of redemption of man, by his body,
soul, and spirit, in that order. It is the direct opposite (reverse) of how man
was originally created and formed: spirit, body, and soul!

Man cannot repent except God call him: without the calling, man will work to
be saved: to no avail. Listening to different doctrines, he ends up confused:
unable to differentiate between truth and fables: he ends up eating “…of the
fruit, of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.” How? Every man ends up
coming out of a denomination, and brings some denominational baggage
with him; while those in the Truth, compromise and become denominational
through their traditions.

There are many here that have a little truth; many have some truth; but
NONE of us have ALL Truth: and that’s why we need each other. We need
to return to the old landmarks, and learn how to “…take forth the precious
from the vile…”, to become as His mouth.

Brother Villa

[LOVE JESUS]

He that comes to Jesus, He will in no wise cast out.

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS

He that comes to Jesus, He will in no wise cast out.

AMEN.
"And he said, 'Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me,
except it were given unto him of my Father'."


Brother Villa

[Sean]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!

Firstly, Beloved: no one is denying the gospel that saves (at least, I’m not).
And I’m not concerned about a calling I may have, or not. Now this:

I submit that the Lord was NOT telling Nicodemus that he had to be “born
again”. Rather he was questioning Nicodemus about where, or if he knew,
from where he received the revelation: “…we know you are a teacher come
from God, for no man can do the works you do except God be with him.” (Jn 3:3)
Or can anyone say that Nicodemus was saved at that moment? The
revelation was true; but apparently he was not saved: Nicodemus was
using the wrong definition of “born again”!

Born --genao--: (1) be conceived; begotten; (2) be birthed; give birth.
Again –anothen--: from above (clearly implies to come from God)

Through the revelation from God, Nicodemus had received [some] truth:
and he would later become a disciple. But even satan knows [some] truth
(see Matt 4:1-9). But satan uses truth to “…steal, kill, and destroy.” That is,
to deceive by using a little truth to introduce a bigger lie!

“…he cannot SEE…”: (perceive, discern, understand) “the kingdom of God.”
When truth is given by God, it will lead to more truth: “Till we all come in
the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God…”, etc.

You mentioned the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the
way to salvation: it describes the work of redemption of man, by his body,
soul, and spirit, in that order. It is the direct opposite (reverse) of how man
was originally created and formed: spirit, body, and soul!

Man cannot repent except God call him: without the calling, man will work to
be saved: to no avail. Listening to different doctrines, he ends up confused:
unable to differentiate between truth and fables: he ends up eating “…of the
fruit, of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.” How? Every man ends up
coming out of a denomination, and brings some denominational baggage
with him; while those in the Truth, compromise and become denominational
through their traditions.

There are many here that have a little truth; many have some truth; but
NONE of us have ALL Truth: and that’s why we need each other. We need
to return to the old landmarks, and learn how to “…take forth the precious
from the vile…”, to become as His mouth.

Brother Villa

Let me clarify a little in this short post.

Jesus died, so must we(repentance).

Jesus was buried, so must we be(water baptism).

Jesus rose from the dead, so must we rise(Spirit baptism).


Jesus completed this process for us to resurrect from the dead or be caught away(1 Thes 4), so we as priests unto our God, must "mimic" His process to be like him.

If Jesus would have skipped death(for instance) and was just caught away, then we would not have to be buried with Him, per Romans 6. Then we could have legally omitted water baptism from the salvation plan, etc.

Can you kinda see my point in getting it right?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Sean

Let me clarify a little in this short post.
Jesus died, so must we(repentance).
Jesus was buried, so must we be(water baptism).
Jesus rose from the dead, so must we rise(Spirit baptism).

Jesus completed this process for us to resurrect from the dead or be caught away(1 Thes 4),
so we as priests unto our God, must "mimic" His process to be like him. If Jesus would have
skipped death (for instance) and was just caught away, then we would not have to be buried
with Him, per Romans 6. Then we could have legally omitted water baptism from the
salvation plan, etc.Can you kinda see my point in getting it right?

You missed the mark.

Where, then, is the sacrifice: the REMISSION of sins?
"For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission.

No, Beloved, God would have had to negate baptism: but it as never been
done even from the beginning of the 7 Laws of Creation! And Law #5,
reads, "And God said, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open
firmament of heaven'." In other words, God declared there to be life in the
WATERS, and life in the AIR. Let me read it to you again: "Except a man be
born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Nothing in the gospel that saves has been excluded.


Brother Villa

[Sean]

Right, my point is that the born again(Acts 2:38) message for he plan of salvation is an "all or nothing message".

All of the 3 essential parts of it have direct typology to Christ and His fulfillment of the tabernacle.(Brazen Altar,Laver, and Holiest of Holies).

We are expected to follow this typology to obtain salvation by repentance(Brazen Altar), water baptism(Brazen Laver) and receiving the Holy Ghost(Holiest of Holies).


The High Priest did not omit any of these rituals, Christ our high priest did not omit any of them in typology, and we cannot omit any of them either.

[Sean]

Those today, that omit water baptism(for instance), are inadvertently saying that the priest could bypass the Laver as he so desired and Christ did not have to be killed or buried.