Charlottesville, Trump, GOPe and Pentecostals

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

1) There is no alt-left. It doesn't exist and the people who are trying to "coin" that term are NOT people on the left. On the contrary, it was people on the right who first identified themselves as the alt-right.

The "alt-right" was invented by leftists and Occupoopers who suddenly "switched" when Trump came on the scene. Imagine that.

2) Compairing AtiFa to the KKK is manur-y because AntiFa is decisively not racist-- in stance and in make up of their members and supporters.

Antifa is anti-white and anti-freedom, its communists and anarchists, funded by Soros and others.

3) Comparing BLM to the KKK is manur-y because BLM does not have a racist platform. In stance, BLM is not racist or supremacist. In the make-up of their members and supporters, BLM is very diverse, and therefore CLEARLY NOT RACIST.

BLM is anti-white. You CLEARLY have ignored their actual statements and actions.

4) There are possibly racist members of AntiFa, and surely a few racist members of BLM-- but the platforms of these organizations are not racist. These organizations are not wrong or racist at their core.

Would you say the same about a group called White Lives Matter? Case closed.

5) This is why trump is to be roundly criticized and why SENSIBLE AMERICAN CITIZENS are criticizing trump-- because we KNOW the difference between AntiFa, BLM, and the KKK!

Hook in your jaw, you go where the establishment leads you. Take the red pill.

6) The PAW existed long before the organizations that formed the UPC. The first split happened over the Godhead and baptism and the white Pentecostal preachers who left the PAW joined the Church of God in Christ and then left that organization, to form the white A/G Pentecostal organization. The PAW was still an interracial fellowship until most (but not all) of the white people left the PAW to form the Pentecostal Church Incorporated (PCI). I type to remind of us our troubled, racist past. There were splits, with white people leaving black organizations for racial reasons.

White people leaving BLACK ORGANISATIONS? Do you even read why you type? Think about it, please.

7) I brought up, on this very website, that in the comment sections of so many articles in the past and in the present are FILLED with tasteless and racist comments, usually posted anonymously. I stated back then that anonymous does not mean that these people do not exist. They do exist and trump is their spokesman-- he has been since Ben Carson opened the door to the expression of their hatred during the presidential primaries.

The tasteless comments come from all sides. You are color blind, meaning you don't see the vitriol coming from the self-created "colored section".

8) Most people do not accept trump's second statement condemning hatred BECAUSE this is not the first time he had to be publically prodded to condemn KKK and Nazi's or white supremacy in general. Then, after he condemned the two groups, members of the two groups came forward saying that trump just had to say those things and that he doesn't really believe what he said. It seems to be that, just like me, most sensible Americans agree with the KKK and Nazi's on that summation of trump's second statement.

Most people? Lol. More of the fake narrative. Winston Smith is calling on line two.

9) Do you want to know how sincere trump's second statement was? Look at what he is saying now to justify his first statement.

No politician is sincere, about anything, except taking your money and running your life.

The rest is irrelevant.

[Esaias]

Name one "right wing neo-nazi Klan" rally in the last 30 years where the ralliers wrecked havoc and got violent.

Now, name one antifa "protest" in the last 30 years where the leftards did NOT become violent.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

BTW, both outfits are run by FBI and ATF.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

1) Calling the President Tripe, would you be all right if people called Obama names on here while he was President, or is hypocrisy the terms of the day?

I believe many have had their own personal racism exposed in this hour.
The KKK is a filthy organization.

2) Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization. not on the level of KKK, but the same as Black Panther Movement and others who try to attack in violence to incite fear.


3) Liberalism is all right with violence on their side, so long as the other side does not use the same violence.


4) Charlottesville was acts of domestic terrorism, and the liberals are ignoring their own terrorists who came armed to attack and incite fear on the other side.

5) Both sides came to fight.

6) President TRUMP (not tripe as was so arrogantly spoken by someone who is disrespectful and showing a very ungodly spirit) was right in what he said. but, common sense is not part of liberal ideology.

1) People on here, on this very forum, did call Obama all sorts of nicknames-- some clearly stating that he was not and would never be their president! Apparently they were alright with doing so. If you can remember, not only did I criticize Obama on here, but I have actually congratulated President Trump when he was making presidential decisions.

However, President Trump is tripe and I will probably use that moniker to refer to him for rest of his presidency. His WH is in a disarray never seen in modern times. His response to Charlottesville shows just how out-of-touch he is with mainstream America-- but not the ugly, hateful white supremacist Americans that helped to form his base of support.

tripe was completely unprepared for the office and even the people around him that have found themselves embroiled in Mueller's investigation are claiming that they just unfamiliar with the ins and out of American political policy in regard to dealing with foreign governments-- layman's terms, they were ignorant.

2) AntiFa is a response to the American FASCISM that has taken root in this country. Has AntiFa gone as far as to actually kill anyone? The original Black Panthers had MANY members who were white. The original Black Panthers were the first to develop the school breakfast program for public school students. The original Black Panthers advocated weapon rights and self defense against the CLEARLY RACIST cops of those days. There were another set of people who recently tried to take on their name, but they do not embody the original Black Panthers.

3) Please provide an example of "liberals" being "alright" with violence. I can guarantee you won't find them being alright with any actual murders. Various white supremacists made fun of the innocent victim, laughed at her with some even saying they were glad she was dead.

4) What terrorists on the left? BLM are not terrorists. AntiFa has not been declared a terrorist organization. Communists in America generally are not referred to as terrorists. What is the definition of terrorism?

Armed to attack and incite fear on the other side-- the other side you mean the white supremacists, Nazi's and KKK who are HISTORICALLY NOTORIOUS for their violence? There were many protesters there for sure-- but the true terrorists, we know the names of their organizations and they are not BLM, AntiFa, etc.

5) Both sides came to PROTEST. This was not some kind of redux of the Civil War. The protests grew violent on both sides. The police have been criticized for not doing enough to diffuse the situation soon enough. Maybe that could have been done differently. But it was the KKK et. al. who committed the true acts of terrorism. They killed someone-- after the protests had been broken up and people were leaving the protest site.

She wasn't killed in the height of the protest. She was killed when the protest was over.

There are also reports of klansmen actually chasing down and beating people-- the people on the left, involved in violence, when interviewed, clearly stated that they were defending themselves. The KKK et. al., won't come on camera to be interviewed.

6) Americans from all walks of life and all sides of the political spectrum have criticized initial and latest responses to what happened in Charlottesville-- not just liberals!

tripe is wrong on this and on so many other issues and had all the junk surrounding this administration surrounded BHO's administration... whatever dude.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Hold. the. phone. Antifa isn't wrong at its core? The communist workers party isn't wrong at its core? BLM isn't a lie and wrong at its core? Antifa used bike locks, chains and improvised flamethrowers Saturday. What are you talking about they're not wrong at their core? Have you read Antifa? One antifa website includes a manual on guerilla warfare, kidnapping, sabotage and executions.

But you say antifa isn't wrong at its core? smh

Maybe the word I should have used is immoral. BLM and communists have ideas that are not inherently immoral.

If what you are saying about AntiFa is true, then I probably should not put them in the same category as BLM and your run-of-the-mill American communist.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

1) There is no alt-left. It doesn't exist and the people who are trying to "coin" that term are NOT people on the left. On the contrary, it was people on the right who first identified themselves as the alt-right.

2) Compairing AtiFa to the KKK is manur-y because AntiFa is decisively not racist-- in stance and in make up of their members and supporters.

3) Comparing BLM to the KKK is manur-y because BLM does not have a racist platform. In stance, BLM is not racist or supremacist. In the make-up of their members and supporters, BLM is very diverse, and therefore CLEARLY NOT RACIST.

4) There are possibly racist members of AntiFa, and surely a few racist members of BLM-- but the platforms of these organizations are not racist. These organizations are not wrong or racist at their core.

5) This is why trump is to be roundly criticized and why SENSIBLE AMERICAN CITIZENS are criticizing trump-- because we KNOW the difference between AntiFa, BLM, and the KKK!

6) The PAW existed long before the organizations that formed the UPC. The first split happened over the Godhead and baptism and the white Pentecostal preachers who left the PAW joined the Church of God in Christ and then left that organization, to form the white A/G Pentecostal organization. The PAW was still an interracial fellowship until most (but not all) of the white people left the PAW to form the Pentecostal Church Incorporated (PCI). I type to remind of us our troubled, racist past. There were splits, with white people leaving black organizations for racial reasons.

7) I brought up, on this very website, that in the comment sections of so many articles in the past and in the present are FILLED with tasteless and racist comments, usually posted anonymously. I stated back then that anonymous does not mean that these people do not exist. They do exist and trump is their spokesman-- he has been since Ben Carson opened the door to the expression of their hatred during the presidential primaries.

8) Most people do not accept trump's second statement condemning hatred BECAUSE this is not the first time he had to be publically prodded to condemn KKK and Nazi's or white supremacy in general. Then, after he condemned the two groups, members of the two groups came forward saying that trump just had to say those things and that he doesn't really believe what he said. It seems to be that, just like me, most sensible Americans agree with the KKK and Nazi's on that summation of trump's second statement.

9) Do you want to know how sincere trump's second statement was? Look at what he is saying now to justify his first statement.

10) trump tried to defend the point of view of some "good people" and the obvious, large, racist white element at Charlottesville by comparing Robert Lee-- a TREASONOUS WAR GENERAL to the founding fathers of the nation that he Lee himself betrayed! Remember, both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson's slaves were freed upon their deaths (or relatively soon afterward). If Lee and his forces in Pennsylvania and in other places sought after and captured free black men and forced them into slavery. When black soldiers surrendered, Lee supervised their slaughter. If Lee had his way, slavery would have continued until some form of Divine Intervention! I guess he lived long enough to see God display His Intervention and Judgment on our country.


trump is tripe

Tremain......... you are full of baloney.

BLM is racist.... BLACK Lives Matter....

What about this don't you understand?

[Esaias]

One of two things going on here.

1. Jermyn has no idea what either antifa or BLM or the alt-right is all about. In other words, ignorance. In which case all he says on the topic is just something you smile at, gently correct, and dont worry too much about. People who pontificate about things beyond their knowledge base aren't people who need to be listened to.

2. Jermyn knows full well what antifa and BLM and alt-right are all about, but he'd rather push his liberal, leftist agenda of enabling commies, anarchists, and hate whitey racists than ever acknowledge the truth. Such people don't deserve discussion or dialogue. Such people deserve only to be shut up, banned, black listed, ridiculed, and ignored. They can always repent, of course.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

One of two things going on here.

1. Jermyn has no idea what either antifa or BLM or the alt-right is all about. In other words, ignorance. In which case all he says on the topic is just something you smile at, gently correct, and dont worry too much about. People who pontificate about things beyond their knowledge base aren't people who need to be listened to.

2. Jermyn knows full well what antifa and BLM and alt-right are all about, but he'd rather push his liberal, leftist agenda of enabling commies, anarchists, and hate whitey racists than ever acknowledge the truth. Such people don't deserve discussion or dialogue. Such people deserve only to be shut up, banned, black listed, ridiculed, and ignored. They can always repent, of course.

Pontificate my grits.

You accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about. I am speaking the truth-- but I have been told I was wrong before.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Pontificate my grits.

You accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about. I am speaking the truth-- but I have been told I was wrong before.

What your solution?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What your solution?

Discussion. Rational and mutually respectful conversation. Of course prayer. But there isn't a magic potion that will fix every thing overnight.

Nothing can be fixed when the people in the conversation cannot agree on basic, verifiable facts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Discussion. Rational and mutually respectful conversation. Of course prayer. But there isn't a magic potion that will fix every thing overnight.

Nothing can be fixed when the people in the conversation cannot agree on basic, verifiable facts.

JD, honestly you aren't answering me.

I want you to tell me what is the solution.

These people who are arguing on a basic idea of what the solution is.

That is why I'm asking you what is that basic solution.

One, what's the problem? Start telling us what the problem is, and then tell us how you would solve that problem.

Discussion would start off that way. THE PROBLEM

Then what it takes to fix THE PROBLEM.