Trumpcare: Pre-existing Conditions Not Covered

[Aquila]

The deductible and premiums weren't that high in states that accepted the Medicare expansion and participated in the market exchanges. In Ohio, for example, our Republican Governor, Kasich, participated and it has worked rather well.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So if someone who does not choose to buy insurance and neglects their health by smoking, drinking and eating garbage, I am violating the command of James if I do not wish to pay for their chemo when they get cancer? A private insurance industry should be forced to give them insurance? That's what James meant?

Yes, comrade. And once we have secured the reigns of power, we will revise the allowed editions of the bible to make clearer what it really means, and we will probably have to ban the old bigoted versions to prevent misunderstandings in the future.

Forward, tovarisch!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So if someone who does not choose to buy insurance and neglects their health by smoking, drinking and eating garbage, I am violating the command of James if I do not wish to pay for their chemo when they get cancer?

I don't know if you're violating the command of loving your neighbor as yourself. Are their lives any less valuable or sacred?

A private insurance industry should be forced to give them insurance?

Personally, I don't believe that a private industry should be forced to give people insurance. In fact, I'm for H.R. 676, The Expanded Medicare For All, act.

It's possible that private insurers might be able to supplement a national Medicare plan with more elective coverage.

That's what James meant?

No. James was only saying that we don't live lives of love and charity, our faith is dead. And I only mentioned the text in light of the notion that helping people attain salvation is necessary while getting them to the hospital is not.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm reminded of a passage from James,

James 2:15-17
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Here, James is explaining that faith without works is dead. Notice, James doesn't say these are works of the Law. James describes works of charity and compassion. To depart in peace is to be safe from harm, to be warmed and filled is to have been sheltered, clothed, and fed. The point here is that our pious and religious words matter little when one is in dire physical need.

And so that leads me to expand upon this understanding. If a person is sick and suffering, destitute of needed medication and care, and we speak of Christ, salvation, healing, and blessing; without providing what is needful to the body, what does it profit?

What happened to the days when people knew that if anyone was in dire need of anything, the one people who would be their advocates and seek to provide for their need would be the Christians?

I fear that the result of American Christianity's marriage to right-wing conservative political philosophy is producing in us a faith that is dead, being void of mercy, grace, and compassion.

And if we think that a suffering world will care about the Gospel we preach, if we don't care if they live in suffering or die...we're gravely mistaken.

The Bible also says homosexuality is a sin, do you believe the government should legislate that? I am for adhering to the Bible but it is a two edged sword and you are just using it to cut one way.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The Bible also says homosexuality is a sin, do you believe the government should legislate that? I am for adhering to the Bible but it is a two edged sword and you are just using it to cut one way.

I didn't write that response in support of national health insurance. I wrote it in response to the following statement made by Monterrey,

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Blah blah blah.....

People are going to die, we need to get them saved, not to the hospital.

My point was that, faith without works is dead. While yes, we must preach the Gospel and seek to reach the lost; this doesn't mean that we are relieved of the responsibility to provide aid and assistance to someone who might need it.

So yes, get them saved. And if they are hurt...put them on your donkey and take them to an inn. Then clean and dress their wounds yourself if necessary. And if need be, pay the innkeeper out of your own pocket for the time the wounded worldling must stay there to heal. Don't just mutter a prayer and walk on, leaving them to die.

It isn't an either/or circumstance, as presented by Monterrey. We reach the lost, often through our acts of advocacy, assistance, and charity. Not apart from them.

[good samaritan]

I agree 100%, but the title of this thread has to do with national healthcare and that is what I believe Monterey was responding to as well. It seems like you are shaming people who don't think that obama care is right on the bases that we are Christians and we should share in other people's medical expenses. I assure you I share in other people's expenses, but I like to decide for myself what cause is worthy or not. A lot of the recipient's of this obama care are not causes I would want to be supporting. Obamacare is just another form of government overreach.

[good samaritan]

The middle class is no different from the poor class in this country except for the fact that they have to work for what little they have. lol.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The middle class is no different from the poor class in this country except for the fact that they have to work for what little they have. lol.

That is not a good sign for a democracy. That's what we see in Brazil.

[good samaritan]

There really is no simple answers to this problem and people must put their trust in God. I think that is all Monterey was implying. We cannot keep the sick from dying by government policies. As Christians we should be more concerned with seeing them saved. Our church has taken up offerings on numerous occasions for house fire victims and things similar, but I also like the privilege to be able to say no. That is what the problem with national healthcare is.

We are becoming a nation that thinks that it is governments job to fix everything. That is the very thing that Jesus warns us not to do. The Lord was upset with Israel because they wanted a king. Samuel warns them that a king would take their sons and their daughters and make them slaves. That is all that federal government is doing, but just in a milder way that people don't see. I really enjoy some of Mike Blumes kingdom teaching. As children of God, it is His kingdom that we put our trust in.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

There really is no simple answers to this problem and people must put their trust in God. I think that is all Monterey was implying. We cannot keep the sick from dying by government policies. As Christians we should be more concerned with seeing them saved. Our church has taken up offerings on numerous occasions for house fire victims and things similar, but I also like the privilege to be able to say no. That is what the problem with national healthcare is.

We are becoming a nation that thinks that it is governments job to fix everything. That is the very thing that Jesus warns us not to do. The Lord was upset with Israel because they wanted a king. Samuel warns them that a king would take their sons and their daughters and make them slaves. That is all that federal government is doing, but just in a milder way that people don't see. I really enjoy some of Mike Blumes kingdom teaching. As children of God, it is His kingdom that we put our trust in.

I believe that the Kingdom of God should have a positive and healing impact on America. I found it inspiring that Canadian Tommy Douglas, a Baptist minister become politician, was the man who launched Canada's universal healthcare initiative. He was voted as Canada's most beloved Canadian.

Now that's Christian impact, and a beautiful witness.