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Old 04-07-2017, 06:11 AM
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That's fine, but there are real issues to divide over. No?
Yes, but that is a different topic. My point is that the "truth" we are led into isn't necessarily doctrinal. Else we'd have a tone of special revelations.
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When it comes to doctrine, I believe that the Holy Spirit guides our "studies"...but we must be studious.
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We are saved by faith not of works lest any man should boast. Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
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We are saved by faith not of works lest any man should boast. Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
ok, but how are we led into truth? is there anything at all that we need to do to be saved?
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Here is a very interesting question regarding the leading of the Holy Spirit as it might relate to doctrinal understanding and/or practice.
What do you do if the Holy Spirit begins to impress upon you an understanding of the something in Scripture that is radically contrary to the traditional or time honored interpretation that you were originally taught???

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Here is a very interesting question regarding the leading of the Holy Spirit as it might relate to doctrinal understanding and/or practice.
What do you do if the Holy Spirit begins to impress upon you an understanding of the something in Scripture that is radically contrary to the traditional or time honored interpretation that you were originally taught???
Why assume it is God "impressing" something on you?

If you already assume it is God, then you must follow that. But the question is how do you initially determine your impressions are from God to begin with?

"Well, it FEELS like God!" sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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We are saved by faith not of works lest any man should boast. Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
Our righteousness is NOT as filthy rags. Jesus Christ is our righteousness and I assure you He is not to be compared to a menstrual cloth.

The verse you referenced says of those who are under the law that their righteousessES are (plural) as filthy rags, meaning their attempts at covering sin are worthless and moreover UNCLEAN because their hearts were uncircumcised.
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Why assume it is God "impressing" something on you?

If you already assume it is God, then you must follow that. But the question is how do you initially determine your impressions are from God to begin with?

"Well, it FEELS like God!" sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Great question. That ties us back to the Word.

But my point is about "interpretation". For example, when the Holy Spirit began to reveal Oneness to those Pentecostal Trinitarians early in the 20th century. The Holy Spirit was challenging their traditional Trinitarian interpretation of the Scriptures, even though that interpretation was well over 1,000 years old.

Jesus said,
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
So, there is a certain recognition of His voice.

If the Spirit challenges even the most historic or traditional interpretations, we do well to follow the Spirit.

Now, I will say this... if one misunderstands the Spirit or if one only "thinks" they heard the Spirit whatever understanding the Spirit brought them to will run dry as it relates to spiritual refreshing. I return to my example of early 20th century Trinitarians receiving the revelation of Oneness; I have little doubt that those who truly received the understanding of Oneness would find remaining a Trinitarian spiritually satisfying.

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Our righteousness is NOT as filthy rags. Jesus Christ is our righteousness and I assure you He is not to be compared to a menstrual cloth.

The verse you referenced says of those who are under the law that their righteousessES are (plural) as filthy rags, meaning their attempts at covering sin are worthless and moreover UNCLEAN because their hearts were uncircumcised.
I believe he meant, "our righteousness", as in any alleged "righteousness" that one assumes can be attained by following the Law.

Here's a thought....

If anyone turned around right now and never sinned again, following the Law perfectly, they'd still go to Hell. It wouldn't make them righteous one bit. Why? Because they already broke it. Once one is a "sinner" in and of themselves, they remain sinners, even if they were to never sin again.

Therefore, true sinless righteousness MUST be imputed from one who had never sinned. And so, in this, one stands in the righteousness of Christ. Nothing can add to that.
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