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Old 03-13-2017, 11:35 AM
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A - so you expect the government to take care of you from cradle to grave.
Got it...
And while I disagree with you about the ultra rich comment, you do realize that BHO and the Dems gave away millions to their rich supporters.
No. I expect the government to protect my best interests and serve the people who actually fund it. The government has far greater negotiating and purchasing power. It can negotiate prescription drug costs, educational materials, construction contracts, etc., and have them provided for lower cost.
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Old 03-13-2017, 11:37 AM
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Even in your capitalist utopia, allegedly people can show up at the ER without insurance or money and get care - and it is illegal for a doctor to not provide said care.

Why is that?
Is it not because it is the inherent understanding that the healthcare is a human right of the sick?

I mean, if it wasn't an inherent human right, couldn't doctors deny care to anyone showing up in an ER without insurance or cold hard cash???
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:36 PM
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Even in your capitalist utopia, allegedly people can show up at the ER without insurance or money and get care - and it is illegal for a doctor to not provide said care.

Why is that?
Is it not because it is the inherent understanding that the healthcare is a human right of the sick?

I mean, if it wasn't an inherent human right, couldn't doctors deny care to anyone showing up in an ER without insurance or cold hard cash???
Again, how much healthcare is a human right.
Here is a good example.
Should those people who have found a doctor to approve gender-reassignment surgery have that surgery paid for by the government/insurance?
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Old 03-13-2017, 01:50 PM
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Even in your capitalist utopia, allegedly people can show up at the ER without insurance or money and get care - and it is illegal for a doctor to not provide said care.

Why is that?
Is it not because it is the inherent understanding that the healthcare is a human right of the sick?

I mean, if it wasn't an inherent human right, couldn't doctors deny care to anyone showing up in an ER without insurance or cold hard cash???
It's because of liberals pushing their agenda. Do you realize, that if that were not the case, the cost of health care would be considerably lower? It's BECAUSE of people who don't pay, that the cost of healthcare has risen so much. In large part, it's due to illegals who abuse the ER systems to get free health care.

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No. I expect the government to protect my best interests and serve the people who actually fund it. The government has far greater negotiating and purchasing power. It can negotiate prescription drug costs, educational materials, construction contracts, etc., and have them provided for lower cost.
Then go live in another country. This country was not founded on government coddling us or taking care of us, it was founded on freedom. Freedom does NOT mean government interference. As Reagan once so astutely put it, "The most feared words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'".
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:18 PM
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Again, how much healthcare is a human right.
Here is a good example.
Should those people who have found a doctor to approve gender-reassignment surgery have that surgery paid for by the government/insurance?
Are they tax payers?
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:18 PM
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So in essence, if you're terminally sick, you don't have a right to life?
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So in essence, if you're terminally sick, you don't have a right to life?
You don't have a right to make someone else pay for your health care.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:27 PM
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Eh, they used to say that the right to a safe environment wasn't a workers right. They also used to say that the right to own property wasn't a negro's right. They also used to say that voting wasn't a woman's right.

Think of how those who thought such are viewed today. One day all will agree that healthcare is indeed a right for the sick, all who are sick. And our grandchildren are going to look back and think of those who argued that sick children, sick citizens, and the sick elderly didn't have a right to healthcare as being inhumane.

It feels good to be on the right side of history in the making. You're position will one day be looked at with shame, and the conservatives of that future hour will denounce that such a view was even conservative.
You didn't even click the link. I can tell by from your comments here.
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