Does This Bother Anyone Else?

[acjcpastor]

Originally Posted by Esaias

A symptom of the effeminization of the church and emasculation of Christian men. More symptoms abound - the sappy 'Jesus is my boyfriend' songs, the emphasis on emotional catharsis instead of doctrinal veracity, Sunday school teachers being mostly women, etc.

Certainly not confined to the church and Christian men. Heroines have completely replace heroes these days in our society. Superman has been replaced by Supergirl and with Jyn and Rey, even Star Wars has been transformed into matriarchy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

A symptom of the effeminization of the church and emasculation of Christian men. More symptoms abound - the sappy 'Jesus is my boyfriend' songs, the emphasis on emotional catharsis instead of doctrinal veracity, Sunday school teachers being mostly women, etc.

Most churches seem to have an abundance of women and a shortage of men in the congregation.

This is also a problem with western society at large. I believe the issue in the churches is spill-over from the general decadence and decay of society in general. And this decay is intentional, manufactured, managed, and funded by entities that have a vested and monetary interest in things being this way.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

A symptom of the effeminization of the church and emasculation of Christian men. More symptoms abound - the sappy 'Jesus is my boyfriend' songs, the emphasis on emotional catharsis instead of doctrinal veracity, Sunday school teachers being mostly women, etc.

Most churches seem to have an abundance of women and a shortage of men in the congregation.

This is also a problem with western society at large. I believe the issue in the churches is spill-over from the general decadence and decay of society in general. And this decay is intentional, manufactured, managed, and funded by entities that have a vested and monetary interest in things being this way.

I was pondering the message of this post. I would like to first say that I agree entirely.

But I began to wonder.... why is it that so many men are disengaged from "church"?

- Are churches failing to provide adequate men's ministry and fellowship?
- Are churches failing to address the specific spiritual needs of men?
- Are churches not providing "upward mobility" for men who find themselves driven/called to be involved and perhaps used in the ministry?
- Are churches not preaching a gospel that supports men and their authority in the home?
- Is the current message within the churches simply irrelevant to the modern urban male?

...or...

- Are men simply overwhelmed with the carnality of our culture and find it hard to see how the church is indeed relevant to their daily lives and spiritual needs?

These are just some things bouncing around in my head after reading this post.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was pondering the message of this post. I would like to first say that I agree entirely.

But I began to wonder.... why is it that so many men are disengaged from "church"?

- Are churches failing to provide adequate men's ministry and fellowship?
- Are churches failing to address the specific spiritual needs of men?
- Are churches not providing "upward mobility" for men who find themselves driven/called to be involved and perhaps used in the ministry?
- Are churches not preaching a gospel that supports men and their authority in the home?
- Is the current message within the churches simply irrelevant to the modern urban male?

...or...

- Are men simply overwhelmed with the carnality of our culture and find it hard to see how the church is indeed relevant to their daily lives and spiritual needs?

These are just some things bouncing around in my head after reading this post.

Ultimately, every man (and woman) is responsible for their own spiritual growth. It is not the requirement of the church to cater to each gender and age group. Nor should a Pastor worry about making sure the sermon he delivers is relevant to a specific group. IMO, that's much the issue with churches today. Instead of "thus saith the Lord," Pastors are consulting polling data from Barna and Willow Creek and getting sermon series from Rick Warren and Saddleback.

But that's a totally different thread.

Society at large is trying to de-emphasize masculinity. From pre-school thru post-graduate degrees, school administrators are doing their part to dumb down masculinity. Hollywood and celebrities are pushing their male to female transgender mental illness through their movies, songs, shows, tweets and instagram posts.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was pondering the message of this post. I would like to first say that I agree entirely.

But I began to wonder.... why is it that so many men are disengaged from "church"?

- Are churches failing to provide adequate men's ministry and fellowship?
- Are churches failing to address the specific spiritual needs of men?
- Are churches not providing "upward mobility" for men who find themselves driven/called to be involved and perhaps used in the ministry?
- Are churches not preaching a gospel that supports men and their authority in the home?
- Is the current message within the churches simply irrelevant to the modern urban male?

...or...

- Are men simply overwhelmed with the carnality of our culture and find it hard to see how the church is indeed relevant to their daily lives and spiritual needs?

These are just some things bouncing around in my head after reading this post.

A - all of these are factors.
But, the biggest factor, I believe, is that the church is not teaching boys/men what their role is in life or in the church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by acjcpastor

Certainly not confined to the church and Christian men. Heroines have completely replace heroes these days in our society. Superman has been replaced by Supergirl and with Jyn and Rey, even Star Wars has been transformed into matriarchy.

Mad Max even got a one armed woman to save him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - all of these are factors.
But, the biggest factor, I believe, is that the church is not teaching boys/men what their role is in life or in the church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think you project on the images whatever you already believe in your heart to be true.

We no longer bow before our betters. We don't plead on our knees for anything.

Meaning?

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Welcome to the fall of an empire.

Where women have more testosterone than men.

Think about that next time you have a woman preacher in the pulpit yelling at you and the congregation.



The strongest woman in the world cannot beat the strongest man in the world.

The whole woman warrior isn't Biblical. Israel was to count their "men" not their women for battle. This culture is on its last legs. You all almost had a woman president, and look at all the effeminate men who are boo hooing over her not becoming the president

Let's see what happens in the upcoming 12 years.

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One shouldn't surprised. As we are seeing the female taking major leadership roles over the male in the church, that is not the order God instituted, so the church is in rebellion. How can the nation not fall..ow.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Does not bother me for a couple reasons.

The pictures shown are never shown together. They are taken out of their original contexts to make a point or raise a concern on this thread-- a point that I don't agree with but the overall concern is shared.

Context:
Women, you are strong. Your prayers do work. You are a warrior! Keep praying.

Men, you are strongest when you submit. The strongest men submit in EARNEST PRAYER. You cannot do it on your own. Strive to pray consistently.


The messages are different because reality is different when it comes to the prayer lives of men and women (generally speaking of course).

Women need to be encouraged to keep praying.

Men need to be encouraged to dispose of the bravado of our "maleness" and really make EARNEST PRAYER a part of our lives.