The Bible is the word of God - Page 2

mfblume · #11 11-16-2016, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

To Mike, or others who would like to respond...

Would the idea of the Logos as presented in John 1:1, that was with God, and was God, and later, was made flesh, is this the Bible, too, strictly speaking?

I mean, did God create all things that are made through (by) the Bible?

Or is there something more to the Logos/Word, something that transcends the Bible? What I mean is: God is a person, the Bible is a thing. Surely, we do not equate the two?

God is everlasting. Before any text of the Bible was penned, He existed. While only portions of the Bible were first being written, He existed. While different parts of the Bible were being argued over in the different fights for establishing the canon, God existed. After every last Bible ever made turns to ash and powder in some distant future, He will exist still.

God's "Word" forever settled in heaven is merely the Bible? Or is it the Bible, plus something else?

Can the Word of the Lord come to a person, as it did to the holy prophets of old, and be given to a person today, even if the "word" that comes to them cannot be found in any verse of the Bible?

As an example, Agabus predicted a famine/dearth, and it came to pass. Could the "Word of the Lord" come to you, let's say, and tell you that some unforeseen natural disaster was going to badly affect Canada, and it come to pass, without there actually being a single verse in the Bible about Canada?

If not, why not?

If yes, doesn't that mean that the "Word of God", while being Bible, is also something greater than the Bible?

Thanks,

Aaron

Aaron, I believe the answer's obvious.

I said elsewhere that the Word of God is God. And one form of God is the uttered word. God is larger than any of that, in reality. But like the fruit of life on the tree of Life, the fruit can be grasped and eaten, whereas the tree itself cannot. And yet the fruit has within itself all the essence of the Tree.

But we can't take that and think there are truths for us to grasp that contradict what the written word says, or go beyond what the written word puts limits on. Some things to be known have limits on them, such as the work of the cross, and what saves and doesn't save. I believe the written word focuses on salvation. Nothing the written word does not say can be claimed to save us. But there are far more things than salvation that comprise the Logos of God.

God is infinite, so He cannot be wholly grasped as one can wholly grasp what the written Word says. But again, the written word is about salvation, and I don't believe God was concerned with revealing all He could reveal, but simply deal with getting mankind back on track and saved from sin.

We know there is more to know than the written word reveals.

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

But in no way am I saying the bible is the limit of what logos is. The bible is speaking of salvation. As far as salvation is concerned, the bible is the limits of all of that.

God's word definitely comes to us apart from what the bible says, but never in terms of salvation. He will speak things to us that regard our individual situations, which could not be put in the written Word, or the world could not contain the books, in the same way all the record of Christ's miracles could not be contained in books the world could hold.

If you spoke a word ten years ago, and then wrote down your words today dealing with a specific issue, both your previous word and the current written word are essentially you. You express yourself through your word. What you say at one point many not be what you say today. But the words won't contradict. Well.... we're human so they could. But not so with God. God's Word was in the beginning and was Himself. But what He caused to be written for us in the bible is as much His word as that which was from the beginning. But neither expressions are all that He is able to express. However, when it comes to salvation He had all of it written.

But the bible is the word of God because God authored it.

KeptByTheWord · #12 11-16-2016, 10:19 AM

Bro. Blume, that was excellent, as always. It is quite simple to understand that the words of God were penned and written down for the purpose of salvation.

I too have wondered why the Bible stopped being written after the early church age. Does not God still speak today?

But just like Bro. Blume said, the NT was written by those who had seen or known Christ, and the writings were written down in their purest form to lead us to Christ, for salvation. That does not mean that God does not still speak to us, but during the time of the manifestation of Christ, which was meant for our salvation, those are the only words we need.

KeptByTheWord · #13 11-16-2016, 10:23 AM

This does not mean that we cannot continue to be taught or led by the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In these two verses, it is quite apparent that the Spirit of the Lord will continue to teach and lead those who are listening, and while it may not be with words found in scripture, yet (this is VERY important) the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT WILL NEVER CONTRADICT THE WORD.

mfblume · #14 11-16-2016, 10:41 AM

Amen, the writer of Hebrews, likely Paul, said that he had many more things to write to them, but they were dull of hearing, so he couldn't. God has spoke to me intimate details of people's lives and it was purely supernatural to know them. Not generalities. Word of Knowledge. He speaks many things aside from Scripture, but scripture is for salvation and there is nothing outside the written word that can add to what it says about salvation.

Esaias · #15 11-16-2016, 05:41 PM

The logos exists in various forms. A spoken message of a prophet, a dream or vision of a seer, the history of Israel, Christ - his life, actions, teachings, death, resurrection, etc.

As well as the Bible.

mfblume · #16 11-16-2016, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

The logos exists in various forms. A spoken message of a prophet, a dream or vision of a seer, the history of Israel, Christ - his life, actions, teachings, death, resurrection, etc.

As well as the Bible.

Amen!! A thousand thumbs up!