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Old 10-14-2016, 11:29 AM
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Facts are misleading?
Facts typically aren't misleading. But this meme isn't giving the facts.

First, the meme uses Bush's final year, but includes both full terms of obama, which completely skews the numbers. Next, the numbers are flat out misleading and don't include relevant information.

unemployment rate - that 5.1% is only the number of people actively looking for jobs. It does not include the millions who have given up and are no longer reporting.

cost of gas and oil barrels imported - doesn't show the reason being the increased production here in the US...DESPITE obama's attempts to block drilling.

Iran's centrifuges - I don't believe the number at all. There's enough evidence that the obama administration has lied and covered up their bad deal with Iran, which gives them easier, faster access to a nuclear bomb.

GDP growth/Dow Jones/Unemployment Rate - again, since this is showing only Bush's last year (when the recession hit) the numbers are completely skewed and misleading.
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With regards to Oil and Gas prices, the Iran deal promised lower gas prices. We got them.
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With regards to Oil and Gas prices, the Iran deal promised lower gas prices. We got them.
The Iran deal wasn't about lower gas prices. It gave a slight boost to the oil production worldwide, but gas prices and oil imports were low before the deal was signed early this year.
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:48 AM
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This just scratches the surface:

1. Higher taxes
Hillary's plan:

◾A 4 percent surtax (the campaign calls it a "Fair Share Surcharge"), which has been getting the most attention. It involves taxing all income (that is, not just wage and salary income) over $5 million. That's what makes it a surcharge and not just the creation of a new income-tax bracket.


◾The Buffett Rule — She would require people earning more than $1 million annually to pay at least a 30 percent tax rate.


◾Tightening loopholes that tend to be used by the wealthy. In particular, the Clinton camp points to what's been dubbed the "Romney loophole." That refers to the practice of stashing millions of dollars in IRAs. They also highlight the "Bermuda reinsurance loophole," which has allowed some hedge-fund managers reduce their taxes via insurance companies in Bermuda, as Bloomberg reported.


◾Expanding the estate tax's reach — Right now, the tax applies to estates worth more than roughly $5.5 million. She would take that threshold down to $3.5 million, where the level was in 2009 (but higher than the $2 million level that existed throughout the mid-2000s) and also raise the rate from the current 40 percent to 45, as the Wall Street Journal writes.
Of course, this is only if it passes Congress. Taxes are not raised on the middle class.

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2. Deeper National debt
By raising revenues through taxation the national debt can be addressed and a more balanced budget without massive deficits can be drafted.

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3. Open borders
Clinton favors hemispheric open trade boarders, and is therefore far more in favor of a "free market" than Donald Trump with his protectionist agenda. She has voiced concern over TPP, so any future partnership will most likely take on similarities with TPP, but address the concerns voiced by more labor minded Democrats such as Bernie Sanders.

As far as immigration, she supports shielding certain illegal immigrants from deportation if they meet specific criteria (yet to be specified) but criteria involving work, residency, criminal history, etc. These immigrants have already become a big part of the local economy in some states. To shield them from deportation and provide opportunity to become citizens we increase the tax base, thereby not only keeping the economic contributions they make, but we boost tax revenue. She is against private detention centers and sees these as unnecessary accept with regards to those who are discovered or who are known to be criminals. She is lenient on refugees and those fleeing war and oppression.


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4. Abortion more readily available
Hillary is decidedly prochoice and will most likely provide funding for groups like Planned Parenthood. As to availability, much of this has to do with individual state regulations and policies.


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5. Weak economy
An increase in taxation could slow down the economy if more wealthy individuals choose to limit investments. However, this is only theory. There is a paper from the Brookings Institution's William Gale, which found a weak relationship between tax changes and growth. He also said that wealthy Americans have been sitting on their cash lately (meaning new taxes wouldn't reduce already-low investment levels, though if that changes, so could the effect of these taxes).

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6. Weak foreign policy
Traditionally speaking, Hillary is considered a hawk. This was one reason why Bernie supporters rejected her. She's drawn a hard line with Russia through the NATO Alliance. It is apparent in her posturing that she sees Russia as a growing global threat to our interests in that it is exploiting the war on terror to advance its agenda and expand its interests around the world. While Hillary will seek to broker peace between Israel and Palestine, she will most likely continue to address terror with more surgical strikes as opposed to full out invasions. Again, her focus seems to be on Russia's growing influence and doing all that is necessary to solidify an alliance that will keep Russia out of Crimea and other states in the region. She is dead set against allowing Russia to deepen its interests in the Middle East as is President Obama. Syria is proving to be a proxy war wherein the U.S. is supporting rebels while Russia is supporting the Syrian government. With Syrian and Iranian allies in the region Russia's interests become more expansive. By capping Iran's military capabilities and keeping Russia from securing an ally in Syria, she is determined to keep Russia out of the Middle East as much as possible.

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7. LGBT proliferation
Hillary does support full equal rights for LGBTs.

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8. Public education's continued poor performance
Hillary is against vouchers. Hillary is for charter schools. Hillary is for smaller classrooms and increased teachers pay. Hillary would like to bring back character and behavior education, along with American citizenship educational programs. There are hints that she might believe in year round education. Hillary wants to modernize public education with more computerized assignments and internet based education. She supports universal preschool.

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9. Free trade at the expense of American workers
Hillary is for free trade. However, she realizes that NAFTA hurt America. She hoped TPP would offer America a good deal, but in the end it didn't reflect what she had hoped for. She wants to end tax breaks for corporations that send jobs overseas. She sees a need to boost more technical education in America so that America can focus on more high tech industries that are laying the ground work for the future.

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10. High numbers of people on government assistance
Debatable. However, she does support programs to help struggling families.

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11. Tough job market
Yes, things are changing. With focusing on rebuilding America's infrastructure over 30 thousand new jobs stand to be created rather quickly throughout the United States, stimulating local economies and revenues for fields involved in construction and manufacturing.

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12. High numbers of people out of the work force
America has an education deficit. Bone head jobs are becoming harder to come by. Education is key.

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13. Corruption at the highest levels
Opinion.

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14. Weakening of our military with cuts in funding
Hillary actually has called for ending the military spending caps imposed by Congress in 2012. Hillary favors strengthening military alliances in order to create a wall against threats to Western civilization. She does not see America as playing the role of a global police force.

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15. Embracing of United Nations and surrendering of our sovereignty
Hillary is for strengthening global alliances through NATO and the United Nations, but not for relinquishing sovereignty as this present Congress has done.

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16. Anti-Israeli foreign policy
Hillary supports foreign aid for Israel, seeing the strategic need to keep our alliance with Israel. However, Hillary also recognizes Palestine as a legitimate state.

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17. Continued feckless approach to Iran
The Iran deal has slowed Iran's nuclear program and has opened Iran up for inspections. It was hardly feckless. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Also, there is need to normalize relations with Iran in order to keep them from becoming a pawn for Russia.

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18. Continued feckless approach to N Korea
Hillary has supported the strongest sanctions on N. Korea yet. However, she sees a need to get Russia and China on board to make them effective.


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19. Trade policies that are unfair to the US
Redundant.

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20. Political correctness on steroids
Example please.

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21. Blurring of the lines between the Clinton Foundation and Oval Office access
Nothing new for any politician.

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22. Continued assaults on religious freedom
Like what?

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23. Supreme Court Justice appointments with judges that have a skewed view of the Constitution and their role as interpreters of the law, not legislators from the bench
That's an issue of interpretation.

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24. Bill being "first gentleman" in the White House saying and doing God knows what
That's Bill's business. No doubt Trump would throw some wild billionaire playboy parties as President. Who cares. Private lives are private lives.

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25. Lying like we have never seen before
All politicians lie and compromise. The question is, are they are lying and making deals that help the middle class? Are they fighting for middle America?
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:02 PM
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Hillary's plan:

◾A 4 percent surtax (the campaign calls it a "Fair Share Surcharge"), which has been getting the most attention. It involves taxing all income (that is, not just wage and salary income) over $5 million. That's what makes it a surcharge and not just the creation of a new income-tax bracket.


◾The Buffett Rule — She would require people earning more than $1 million annually to pay at least a 30 percent tax rate.


◾Tightening loopholes that tend to be used by the wealthy. In particular, the Clinton camp points to what's been dubbed the "Romney loophole." That refers to the practice of stashing millions of dollars in IRAs. They also highlight the "Bermuda reinsurance loophole," which has allowed some hedge-fund managers reduce their taxes via insurance companies in Bermuda, as Bloomberg reported.


◾Expanding the estate tax's reach — Right now, the tax applies to estates worth more than roughly $5.5 million. She would take that threshold down to $3.5 million, where the level was in 2009 (but higher than the $2 million level that existed throughout the mid-2000s) and also raise the rate from the current 40 percent to 45, as the Wall Street Journal writes.
Of course, this is only if it passes Congress. Taxes are not raised on the middle class.



By raising revenues through taxation the national debt can be addressed and a more balanced budget without massive deficits can be drafted.



Clinton favors hemispheric open trade boarders, and is therefore far more in favor of a "free market" than Donald Trump with his protectionist agenda. She has voiced concern over TPP, so any future partnership will most likely take on similarities with TPP, but address the concerns voiced by more labor minded Democrats such as Bernie Sanders.

As far as immigration, she supports shielding certain illegal immigrants from deportation if they meet specific criteria (yet to be specified) but criteria involving work, residency, criminal history, etc. These immigrants have already become a big part of the local economy in some states. To shield them from deportation and provide opportunity to become citizens we increase the tax base, thereby not only keeping the economic contributions they make, but we boost tax revenue. She is against private detention centers and sees these as unnecessary accept with regards to those who are discovered or who are known to be criminals. She is lenient on refugees and those fleeing war and oppression.




Hillary is decidedly prochoice and will most likely provide funding for groups like Planned Parenthood. As to availability, much of this has to do with individual state regulations and policies.




An increase in taxation could slow down the economy if more wealthy individuals choose to limit investments. However, this is only theory. There is a paper from the Brookings Institution's William Gale, which found a weak relationship between tax changes and growth. He also said that wealthy Americans have been sitting on their cash lately (meaning new taxes wouldn't reduce already-low investment levels, though if that changes, so could the effect of these taxes).



Traditionally speaking, Hillary is considered a hawk. This was one reason why Bernie supporters rejected her. She's drawn a hard line with Russia through the NATO Alliance. It is apparent in her posturing that she sees Russia as a growing global threat to our interests in that it is exploiting the war on terror to advance its agenda and expand its interests around the world. While Hillary will seek to broker peace between Israel and Palestine, she will most likely continue to address terror with more surgical strikes as opposed to full out invasions. Again, her focus seems to be on Russia's growing influence and doing all that is necessary to solidify an alliance that will keep Russia out of Crimea and other states in the region. She is dead set against allowing Russia to deepen its interests in the Middle East as is President Obama. Syria is proving to be a proxy war wherein the U.S. is supporting rebels while Russia is supporting the Syrian government. With Syrian and Iranian allies in the region Russia's interests become more expansive. By capping Iran's military capabilities and keeping Russia from securing an ally in Syria, she is determined to keep Russia out of the Middle East as much as possible.



Hillary does support full equal rights for LGBTs.



Hillary is against vouchers. Hillary is for charter schools. Hillary is for smaller classrooms and increased teachers pay. Hillary would like to bring back character and behavior education, along with American citizenship educational programs. There are hints that she might believe in year round education. Hillary wants to modernize public education with more computerized assignments and internet based education. She supports universal preschool.



Hillary is for free trade. However, she realizes that NAFTA hurt America. She hoped TPP would offer America a good deal, but in the end it didn't reflect what she had hoped for. She wants to end tax breaks for corporations that send jobs overseas. She sees a need to boost more technical education in America so that America can focus on more high tech industries that are laying the ground work for the future.



Debatable. However, she does support programs to help struggling families.



Yes, things are changing. With focusing on rebuilding America's infrastructure over 30 thousand new jobs stand to be created rather quickly throughout the United States, stimulating local economies and revenues for fields involved in construction and manufacturing.



America has an education deficit. Bone head jobs are becoming harder to come by. Education is key.



Opinion.



Hillary actually has called for ending the military spending caps imposed by Congress in 2012. Hillary favors strengthening military alliances in order to create a wall against threats to Western civilization. She does not see America as playing the role of a global police force.



Hillary is for strengthening global alliances through NATO and the United Nations, but not for relinquishing sovereignty as this present Congress has done.



Hillary supports foreign aid for Israel, seeing the strategic need to keep our alliance with Israel. However, Hillary also recognizes Palestine as a legitimate state.



The Iran deal has slowed Iran's nuclear program and has opened Iran up for inspections. It was hardly feckless. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Also, there is need to normalize relations with Iran in order to keep them from becoming a pawn for Russia.



Hillary has supported the strongest sanctions on N. Korea yet. However, she sees a need to get Russia and China on board to make them effective.




Redundant.



Example please.



Nothing new for any politician.



Like what?



That's an issue of interpretation.



That's Bill's business. No doubt Trump would throw some wild billionaire playboy parties as President. Who cares. Private lives are private lives.



All politicians lie and compromise. The question is, are they are lying and making deals that help the middle class? Are they fighting for middle America?
Good post.
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All politicians lie and compromise. The question is, are they are lying and making deals that help the middle class? Are they fighting for middle America?
Anybody who believes this way is not qualified to partake in the political process by voting. I'm serious about that and fully stand by that statement.
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Anybody who believes this way is not qualified to partake in the political process by voting. I'm serious about that and fully stand by that statement.
Ok. You have a deal.

Of course you will have to find a politician that doesnt lie. Good luck with that.
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Anybody who believes this way is not qualified to partake in the political process by voting. I'm serious about that and fully stand by that statement.
"All war is the art of deception." ~ Sun Tzu The Art of War

You can't wage war for the average American against the entrenched corporate money powers who are determined to aggregate the vast majority of our nation's wealth into their private accounts without engaging in deception. It's not like the entrenched money powers aren't lying and filling the airwaves with propaganda to get you to vote yourself into accepting a below minimum wage.

In a war you fire bullets... and you spread misinformation. Either you have the stomach for it or you don't. But you'll need to be able to stomach the hard cold truth if you want to win a war be it tactical or class warfare.

Oh, and regardless of what you think, the right to vote is a Constitutional right that has no implied qualifications.
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Ok. You have a deal.

Of course you will have to find a politician that doesnt lie. Good luck with that.
Even David feigned madness in front of the Philistine king to avoid being executed (1 Samuel 21:15). A brilliant move. However, it was a deception.

"All war is the art of deception." ~ Sun Tzu The Art of War
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King David was a rascal. He committed adultery, had an innocent man killed, feigned insanity to avoid execution at the hands of the Philistines. Yet he was.... a man after God's own heart. Why? His motives. He desired to see justice for the weak, even loved the law he broke, and was determined to defeat the enemies of God.
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