VP Debate

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

That, it is. Two awful candidates and a birdbrain running as a libertarian.

You really think it's worse than Clinton/Dole? Or Obongo/Romney?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You really think it's worse than Clinton/Dole? Or Obongo/Romney?

Clinton v Dole just wasn't fair. You had a younger Clinton taking on the Tales from the Crypt guy. But I don't believe Dole was worse than Trump.

Obama/Romney - again, I think Trump is worse than Romney. We knew Romney's positions and political background. We have no clue what Trump will be like. But if his attraction to dictators and tyrants is any indication...Lord help us.

[Esaias]

Dole, the Cryptkeeper...

lol talk about showing our ages...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe you are, nor did I say you were.



"Great things" is not the same as calling Putin "great." Look, we agree in that Trump has a terrible, awful, no good, horrible attraction to dictators and tyrants. But it is untrue that Trump said Putin was a "great leader," as Kaine falsely claimed.

Okay....

I took it as Trump believing Crimea has been annexed by Russia and is no longer Ukraine, and that Russia will not invade the main country of Ukraine. I'll spare the history lesson on Crimea, only to state it was Russian territory up until 1991 when it became split between Russia and Ukraine. For that reason, I don't consider Russia's annexation of Crimea an invasion of Ukraine. And also for that reason, Trump has so far been correct in that Putin has not invaded the country of Ukraine.

Okay...

Again, what Kaine claimed is not what Trump has said. Please post the source and quote where Trump said he would go house to house, school to school, business to business. Yes, Trump mentioned a deportation force and kicking families out of the country, but nowhere have I found any mention by Trump of going house to house, school to school and business to business. That's fear-mongering of the worst kind.

Okay...

I'm well aware of that statement, PO. I made quite a few posts about that statement. There were two or three "clarifications" made after that statement, which is what we both - you and I - knocked Trump over. However, the ad is very misleading. Pence said "Donald Trump and I would never support legislation that punished women." Would never. Pence did not say that Trump has never said he wouldn't punish women. He said they would never support (future tense) legislation that punished women. To use that quote is to completely take what Pence said out of context.

Clarifications? You mean like a walk back?

I agree, which is why I said the ad was mostly true. Again, it's semantics with what they claim he said. But the point of the claim is correct.

I doubt you've watched many of his speeches, either.

I am more of a political nerd than you take me for.

Do you write upset posts at Cruz, now that he's made FB posts praising Pence's and Trump's debate performance?

I understand Ted Cruz's position. Several things happened. At Convention Ted only had Trump saying he had a SCOTUS list of people he would consider. When he sat with Pence, the team made a promise that they would only choose from the SCOTUS list also adding Mike Lee. The SCOTUS positions are very important to Ted Cruz having been Solicitor General of Texas and because he is a Constitutional Conservative.

He also sat down with Steve King. King told him that if Trump were to win they would have a better chance of moving Conservative policy than they ever could under Hillary, which is Mark Levin's position as well.

Ted was right, it was Trump's best debate so far, at least for the first 30 minutes. Ted also met with a lot of supporters who switched to Trump and wanted him to do so.

My reason for not voting for Trump is because of all of the so-called Conservatives who came out against Ted, along with Fox News to bash the only true Conservative on the ticket. Rand Paul throwing out his ridiculous birther comment was beyond the pale. Ben Sasse pretending to be all Conservative and brave but only tweeted that he voted for Cruz, but didn't formally endorse him. If these men and women, including Laura Ingraham loved our country's Constitution so much, they would have come out in strong force for Ted Cruz. Yet, you look at races across this country with the RNC and the Chamber of Commerce backing the Rhinos and overthrowing the true Conservatives much like the Democrats shut out the Blue Dogs. So, in my mind no one has earned my vote in this party. I'll look into my ballot sample before November and see if there is anyone I could vote for. For sure I am skipping the top ticket.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Clinton v Dole just wasn't fair. You had a younger Clinton taking on the Tales from the Crypt guy. But I don't believe Dole was worse than Trump.

Obama/Romney - again, I think Trump is worse than Romney. We knew Romney's positions and political background. We have no clue what Trump will be like. But if his attraction to dictators and tyrants is any indication...Lord help us.

Yet, you defend his positive, complementary comments regarding Putin. Okay...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yet, you defend his positive, complementary comments regarding Putin. Okay...

No, I did not. I've criticized Trump for his comments about Putin in the past.

All I defended was that Trump did NOT call Putin a great leader. Please post where Trump said this if you want to prove me wrong. I'm not defending Trump's comments about tyrants. I'm simply stating Kaine lied, the ad lied about Trump calling Putin a great leader.

It's blatantly clear that Kaine lied. Why do you want to argue and defend him on this?

If a false claim was made about Cruz, you would be condemning it as false.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I understand Ted Cruz's position. Several things happened. At Convention Ted only had Trump saying he had a SCOTUS list of people he would consider. When he sat with Pence, the team made a promise that they would only choose from the SCOTUS list also adding Mike Lee. The SCOTUS positions are very important to Ted Cruz having been Solicitor General of Texas and because he is a Constitutional Conservative.

He also sat down with Steve King. King told him that if Trump were to win they would have a better chance of moving Conservative policy than they ever could under Hillary, which is Mark Levin's position as well.

So you believe Trump will keep his promise on SCOTUS, but don't believe Trump will do other things he claims?

Okay...

Also, after Cruz had his sit down to make the grand compromise, news leaked that Trump wanted his liberal friend on SCOTUS. So if he believes Trump will keep his "promise," he's going to be disappointed again.

Trump played Cruz, if what you say is true.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

So you believe Trump will keep his promise on SCOTUS, but don't believe Trump will do other things he claims?

Okay...
What you are overlooking is that Ted Cruz made them come to him to get an endorsement. And of course, he doesn't take Trump's words to the bank. He has already stated that, however, it is now on record that these two men - Mike Pence and Donald Trump made this "promise". History will tell whether or not they kept it, if he gets elected. It won't be on Ted Cruz.

Also, after Cruz had his sit down to make the grand compromise, news leaked that Trump wanted his liberal friend on SCOTUS. So if he believes Trump will keep his "promise," he's going to be disappointed again.

Trump played Cruz, if what you say is true.

What you are overlooking is that Ted Cruz made them come to him to get an endorsement. And of course, he doesn't take Trump's words to the bank. He has already stated that. However, it is now on record that these two men - Mike Pence and Donald Trump made this "promise". History will tell whether or not they kept it, if he gets elected. It won't be on Ted Cruz.

And his liberal friend, if you are talking about Peter Thiel, was a conversation had before Trump's promised SCOTUS list was made to Ted Cruz. Peter Thiel's name isn't on the list.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

No, I did not. I've criticized Trump for his comments about Putin in the past.

All I defended was that Trump did NOT call Putin a great leader. Please post where Trump said this if you want to prove me wrong. I'm not defending Trump's comments about tyrants. I'm simply stating Kaine lied, the ad lied about Trump calling Putin a great leader.

It's blatantly clear that Kaine lied. Why do you want to argue and defend him on this?

If a false claim was made about Cruz, you would be condemning it as false.

"Great things" is not the same as calling Putin "great."

This doesn't mean a person is great when they do great things? Okay....

You need to call Sean Hannity and get a job with him at Fox.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What you are overlooking is that Ted Cruz made them come to him to get an endorsement. And of course, he doesn't take Trump's words to the bank. He has already stated that. However, it is now on record that these two men - Mike Pence and Donald Trump made this "promise". History will tell whether or not they kept it, if he gets elected. It won't be on Ted Cruz.

They didn't need his endorsement. Cruz needed to endorse to call off the dogs because his polls tanked. Cruz's unfavorables were at 52% and Julian Castro was tied with him in the poll (31% to 31%). Cruz can't afford to have Trump making good on his threat to campaign against Cruz in 2018.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/1...uble-in-texas/

There wasn't much of being "on the record." No presser or press release about this promise. Basically Cruz sold his endorsement and cheerleading for Trump adding a name to a list -- and more importantly to ensure Trump won't cause Cruz any issues with his re-election.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And his liberal friend, if you are talking about Peter Thiel, was a conversation had before Trump's promised SCOTUS list was made to Ted Cruz. Peter Thiel's name isn't on the list.

Cruz met Pence 9/13, Thiel's name was mentioned in the news 9/15, and Trump's updated SCOTUS list came out 9/23. Thiel's name hasn't been on any list. Thiel claimed it was a conversation between himself and Trump.