The Flight 93 Election

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Great response by Shapiro.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/w...tterbenshapiro

Where's the like button?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Great response by Shapiro.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/w...tterbenshapiro

I read both pieces. Shapiro's was essentially one giant ad hominem against the Claremont author himself.

What Shapiro actually seemed to do was validate the complaints in the original article.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you drive a car? Have a driver license? Legally mandated insurance? Follow traffic laws? Do you stop for the police when they tell you to?

You do not live in anarchy unless you live on a deserted island. You do not understand what the political theory called "anarchy" actually is.

Try actually living AS IF there is no earthly government having any jurisdiction over you. You will be in jail within a week, tops.

yes, i understand that we have different definitions of anarchy; i'm not paying any attention to the political one, and neither are...well, most Amish, or Mennonites, etc. Political anarchy is an oxymoron, i think; anarchy is not seeking recruits. This does not mean that i don't obey laws, that would be chaos. Of course it is legal to travel without a license or plates, etc, but this necessarily puts one in a position of having to be more legal than other drivers, not less.

I don't think the Amish go that far, and many of them vote, etc too, but trust me, there are millions of anarchists, lots of them right in your area especially. It might interest you to make the comparison to Theonomy, the chief difference seems to be in the area of sovereignty, if i may put it that way.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i understand that we have different definitions of anarchy; i'm not paying any attention to the political one, and neither are...well, most Amish, or Mennonites, etc. Political anarchy is an oxymoron, i think; anarchy is not seeking recruits. This does not mean that i don't obey laws, that would be chaos. Of course it is legal to travel without a license or plates, etc, but this necessarily puts one in a position of having to be more legal than other drivers, not less.

I don't think the Amish go that far, and many of them vote, etc too, but trust me, there are millions of anarchists, lots of them right in your area especially. It might interest you to make the comparison to Theonomy, the chief difference seems to be in the area of sovereignty, if i may put it that way.

[shazeep]

um, that's why i am asking you what you perceive the difference to be

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Great response by Shapiro.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/w...tterbenshapiro

About That Flight 93 Piece

There are a lot of Christians who are worshiping American Jesus and not the real Jesus. They’ve put their hope in a con man, not a conquering king. They are driven to desperation and fear and worry and pessimism about the future. But what’s more, they’ve decided their will, not God’s and their vision of the future, not His. Only in the false religion of nationalism where the heroes of Flight 93 can be appropriated by one political party for one view of America can refusing to vote for a braying jackass be considered a sin, treason, or immoral.

This election is the American version of the Israelites demanding a king and choosing Saul.

That really is sad. I feel sadness for an author driven to such desperate writing.

http://theresurgent.com/about-that-flight-93-piece/

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

About That Flight 93 Piece

There are a lot of Christians who are worshiping American Jesus and not the real Jesus. They’ve put their hope in a con man, not a conquering king. They are driven to desperation and fear and worry and pessimism about the future. But what’s more, they’ve decided their will, not God’s and their vision of the future, not His. Only in the false religion of nationalism where the heroes of Flight 93 can be appropriated by one political party for one view of America can refusing to vote for a braying jackass be considered a sin, treason, or immoral.

This election is the American version of the Israelites demanding a king and choosing Saul.

That really is sad. I feel sadness for an author driven to such desperate writing

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A straw man argument from start to finish. No Christians are "putting their hope" in Trump in this sort of religious context. And who is presuming to know God's will on this matter or if he even has a will about it at all? And the only candidate that is trying to be a monarch is Hillary. Really, the Never Trumpers are the only ones over spiritualizing this election. On the one hand they won't vote for Trump based on supposed "biblical principles". On the other, they condemn as "bowing to the false religion of nationalism" those who feel Trump's policies would best benefit the nation compared to Hillary's. If one does not vote with nationalism in mind, why vote at all? The NeverTrumpers are more confused than a termite in a yoyo. I am convinced these pseudo-spiritual giants would have opposed every major liberty movement that influenced our own Founders to break from the crown. They harp about "God's will" in this election but then call nationalism idolatry.

Even if Trump failed to carry out one thing he promised, he still won't grant amnesty to ten million new Democrats in waiting. If Hillary is elected, there will never be another Republican in the White House.

Right now it is the 22% of Never Trump GOP voters that is keeping Trump from having a huge lead in the Electoral College. But if their anointed Cruz (or any other of the GOP candidates for that matter) had won the nomination, they'd have at least 30% less support among independents than Trump has now. Then, even if all of you Never Trumpers were supporting the GOP candidate, he'd still be several points behind where Trump is now. Oh but that would be fine with you because somehow that would make God happier in your eyes. All foolish , pseudo-spiritual lunacy. But maybe some consolation will come forth from watching all those Apostolic pastors having to cut back because Hillary is taxing the churches. It's going to be fun.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

About That Flight 93 Piece

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A straw man argument from start to finish. No Christians are "putting their hope" in Trump in this sort of religious context. And who is presuming to know God's will on this matter or if he even has a will about it at all? And the only candidate that is trying to be a monarch is Hillary. Really, the Never Trumpers are the only ones over spiritualizing this election. On the one hand they won't vote for Trump based on supposed "biblical principles". On the other, they condemn as "bowing to the false religion of nationalism" those who feel Trump's policies would best benefit the nation compared to Hillary's. If one does not vote with nationalism in mind, why vote at all? The NeverTrumpers are more confused than a termite in a yoyo. I am convinced these pseudo-spiritual giants would have opposed every major liberty movement that influenced our own Founders to break from the crown. They harp about "God's will" in this election but then call nationalism idolatry.

Even if Trump failed to carry out one thing he promised, he still won't grant amnesty to ten million new Democrats in waiting. If Hillary is elected, there will never be another Republican in the White House.

Right now it is the 22% of Never Trump GOP voters that is keeping Trump from having a huge lead in the Electoral College. But if their anointed Cruz (or any other of the GOP candidates for that matter) had won the nomination, they'd have at least 30% less support among independents than Trump has now. Then, even if all of you Never Trumpers were supporting the GOP candidate, he'd still be several points behind where Trump is now. Oh but that would be fine with you because somehow that would make God happier in your eyes. All foolish , pseudo-spiritual lunacy. But maybe some consolation will come forth from watching all those Apostolic pastors having to cut back because Hillary is taxing the churches. It's going to be fun.

If Trump loses, he lost it by himself. A little payback for all of his lying and flip-flopping rhetoric, covering for Hillary every SINGLE time important news comes out about her. Trump the con man.

Today, Eric Trump tweets:

Eric Trump Verified account
‏@EricTrump

Look at the #BasketOfDeplorables in Pensacola Florida last night! What a horrible statement. #CrookedHillary

Except the boy is a liar, like his father. This isn't in Pensacola, but Texas - hence the Texas flag. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a joke.

Is This a ‘Flight 93’ Election?

ear Reader (including Sean Hannity, who doesn’t think this “news”letter is a safe space), As Bill Clinton likes to say to the summer interns, I won’t keep you long. “The Flight 93 Election.” That’s the title of a pseudonymous essay in The Claremont Review of Books that’s gotten a lot of attention of late. Rush Limbaugh apparently loved it. A great many others thought it was unlovable (See: Here, here, here, here, here, and here.) I’m with them. Except in one regard: I like the title. Oh, I hate the way the writer uses the idea. Indeed, while I kind of like the writing style, and I’ve found the man I believe to be the actual author decent enough, I find the whole pose of it fairly offensive.

Again, he is not literally saying we will all die if Hillary Clinton wins. But he is saying that it will be the end of America. This is grotesquely irresponsible, particularly as the anniversary of 9/11 is upon us. This is the logic that inspires Latin-quoting mad men.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file...threat-america

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If Trump loses, he lost it by himself. A little payback for all of his lying and flip-flopping rhetoric, covering for Hillary every SINGLE time important news comes out about her. Trump the con man.

Today, Eric Trump tweets:



Except the boy is a liar, like his father. This isn't in Pensacola, but Texas - hence the Texas flag. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. What a joke.

Oh, so you assume he flat out lied instead of just making a mistake? What kind of Christian jumps to such conclusions?

Get it through your pseudo-spiritual thick skull, if Hillary wins there will NEVER be another GOP President. That is what is at stake here. Even if Trump failed to follow through on a single promise, he still won't hand the vote to 10 million illegal aliens. Hillary will. That is your choice whether you like it or not. You are part of the 22% of GOP voters that are preventing Trump from having a sizable lead in the Electoral College. Without you is he still even with Hillary. We will remember you, Beck, Erickson and all the other traitors when the reign of terror kicks in.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Oh, so you assume he flat out lied instead of just making a mistake? What kind of Christian jumps to such conclusions? [/QUOTE ]

Hahahahahaha!

[QUOTE ]Get it through your pseudo-spiritual thick skull, if Hillary wins there will NEVER be another GOP President. That is what is at stake here. Even if Trump failed to follow through on a single promise, he still won't hand the vote to 10 million illegal aliens. Hillary will. That is your choice whether you like it or not. You are part of the 22% of GOP voters that are preventing Trump from having a sizable lead in the Electoral College. Without you is he still even with Hillary. We will remember you, Beck, Erickson and all the other traitors when the reign of terror kicks in.

Where is God going to go in November?