Own, Apologize, Repair

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm, not sure what SJW means. You have a problem with personal responsibility? Or just for white people, or what?
are we reading the same article? the one about explaining to a kid the difference in hurting others v the pain of personal growth? who got insulted? i mean besides you two being insulting here on the forum?

Was there some denigration of pro football or Hank Williams Jr that i missed or something?
I guess personal responsibility is a touchy subject for bigots, huh, yikes.
My guess is you both saw yourselves in dad or something, and you're suffering some defense reaction, because unless you got something better than

"As a white person who does antiracism education in the university classroom I am not unfamiliar with this phenomenon"

followed by an inane comment, you are not making any sense. At all. You do realize this article is not about you, right? Wasn't directed at you, etc. Of course it is just a basic restatement of the Golden Rule, so some resistance by a wasp preacher is only natural, i guess, but i mean, really? I'm curious what your wives would say here--were they allowed to, you know, actually express their opinions in public?

Shaz - really?
I offer my opinion on an article that you linked to and because I do not agree with you I am now a bigot?
Is this article written by you or someone you know for you to be so touchy?
I have respectfully corresponded to you for some time and you go to this level.
Wow.....
And just for the record anyone who would call be a bigot does not know me.
Bigot.
Right.
No clue.

[aegsm76]

And more...
Wasp preacher.
You really are showing your true colors.
I can make no claim to being a wasp preacher, even though there is nothing wrong with being that.
The government has me pegged as multi-racial and I am.
My church is fairly evenly split between black and white with a few other races thrown in for good measure.
My house has representatives from 4 different races/cultures.
Bigot.
Wasp preacher.
Right.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm, not sure what SJW means. You have a problem with personal responsibility? Or just for white people, or what?

Social Justice Warrior. SJW. Commie agitator, in other words.

I have no problem with personal responsibility. Which is why I automatically tune out any SJW garbage, like the article and the author.

Take the real red pill, it lasts longer than that cheap substitute you been takin'.

[shazeep]

ok then, goodbye, have a nice day.

Originally Posted by aegsm76

shaz - that was not her point.
Her point was anyone who does not believe the same as she does about white privilege/guilt/racism is like a child who needs to be educated.

ok, then at least support your argument here, even though it is veering from the point of the article, imo. That doesn't mean it's a useless line of thought, as pretty much anyone--a plantation owner, say--perpetuating a sin of privilege is like a child who needs to be educated, prolly.

What does she believe that you do not?

What passage gave you the impression that she was railroading you?

and all the other posts are just supporting, how about we focus on these questions, or by all means support your argument some other way.

[shazeep]

"If your focus is more on the fact that harm got named than it is on the harm itself, does this strike you as at all peculiar?"

I mean wadr if you are going to follow Blume et al, and give me 100 pages of yack about how there really is no problem, i am just not interested, ok?

i guess to a younger generation, Batman's Joker is so creepy because he embodies this, and that's why he has a smile carved on his face? I'm not a fan, so i got this second hand.

"With certain men who have not owned that this guilt script is inside them, this placating others do for them is so continuous and so normalized that they seem to take as a given that women around them will handle their emotions for them, and they don’t even see it happening."

my father went to his grave this way, but i don't have to! It was obvious that he was trying to exude that he was above it all, when really he was just terminally codependent, since that is essentially what this is.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

And more...
Wasp preacher.
You really are showing your true colors.
I can make no claim to being a wasp preacher, even though there is nothing wrong with being that.
The government has me pegged as multi-racial and I am.
My church is fairly evenly split between black and white with a few other races thrown in for good measure.
My house has representatives from 4 different races/cultures.
Bigot.
Wasp preacher.
Right.

i didn't say there was anything inherently wrong with that, A, i am pretty much a wasp myself, doesn't do any good to claim something else, i don't think. It just is what it is.
And having other races in your house does not mean that this does not apply; invite some of them to read the article and comment here anonymously, that would apply. We are likely all bigoted sometimes, or in some personal fashion, without meaning to be. You can find many bigots specifically working with minorities, even. Often they are black women, although for some reason these are much less apparent than when i first got into volunteer work. Not sure what happened there.

[shazeep]

"In the world he created, his fantasy structure – loving, devoted, happy and well-cared for daughters – was the only one that was allowed, and deviation from that fantasy structure by any of us created terror and raging until everyone fell back in line."

"I have run into this – ‘I feel hurt that you are scared of me’ – with cops, and it struck me how similar it was. At a demo about police brutality once where the cops were detaining people and beating people up, a cop in full riot gear, with his viser up, said to me ‘What about me? You hurt my feelings when you’re scared of me. My feelings are hurt. That is as important as your feelings, isn’t it?’ when I said he was scaring me."

A big part of why the Joker in these Batman movies is so creepy, apparently, is the associations here. i guess that is why he has a smile carved into his face? I'm not a fan, so this comes as hearsay.

[shazeep]

Saying the words because you feel guilty at a lack of capacity does not make the words real.

this is a worksheet for those who do not have anyone that can call them on their behavior, which is common in these situations.

https://batjc.wordpress.com/pods-and...ing-worksheet/

[aegsm76]

shaz - to be blunt, I have no reason to further dialogue with you.
I do not have (or want to take), the time to go through this article point by point and address each point that I disagree with.
I read the article and gave you my opinion.
It is just not important enough to me to devote any more time to it.
Especially when I told by you that I am a bigot and need to get out of my narrow world view so I can appreciate the article. Which was your implication when you called me a wasp preacher...
So, I am really done with this article.
And really pondering on whether I am through dialoguing with you.
And I disagree with your assertion that everyone is bigoted.

[shazeep]

yes, of course, i can't imagine how you could answer any other way under the circumstances, have a nice day.