Belief in god and the right to homosexuality?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

If Christ is negated, how can i not? If you fulfill Paul while ignoring Christ, what have you done?

So you want me to go down the rabbit hole with you: NAH!

[shazeep]

well, that is kind of...scary; let me just suggest that it is Paul that should be reconciled with Christ, and not vice versa.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, that is kind of...scary; let me just suggest that it is Paul that should be reconciled with Christ, and not vice versa.

Friend you don't realize what you just did.

All the apostles were chosen by the Lord, and TAUGHT by him: even
Paul. Yet you have not only exalted yourself above the eleven, but
have demeaned the Ministry of the Apostle Paul, whom the Lord has
chosen. I don't do this often, but I will this time.

You, sir, are a false prophet.

[Waggles]

Originally Posted by shazeep

If Christ is negated, how can i not? If you fulfill Paul while ignoring Christ, what have you done?

You cannot fulfill Paul and not Christ. The epistles are also the Word of God and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
There are no doctrinal conflicts between the gospels and the epistles.
The epistles deal with the details and encouragement for actually living the Spirit-filled life and in walking in the Spirit, and of course bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
Paul does not write another gospel contrary to what Jesus preached.
To love your neighbour, or to visit the widows and orphans in their times of trouble, and to feed your enemy, are all expressions of living the gospel.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, that you love one another...
We love homosexuals and others who are lost by preaching the gospel of salvation to them. Not necessarily condemning them as evil, but rather in sharing our testimonies to the blessings and the hope of our salvation through Jesus and the truth.
The alphabet population are not the only ones who need to hear the word and to know that they can experience the truth of Jesus by receiving the Spirit of Truth with signs following.
The gospels and the book of Acts tell us how to get saved, while the epistles tell us how to stay saved.

[shazeep]

well, if i am a false prophet for suggesting that Paul be reconciled with Christ, then so be it; i am not making any prophecies, so i don't quite get your position here, phnx, sorry. And if i have demeaned Paul, i am not understanding how.

You cannot fulfill Paul and not Christ.
i would say that we have many Scriptures that suggest one can, culminating in ...but if I don't have love... but i also have to agree with you in a sense, as every Pauline verse cast at me to prove a similar argument seemed to actually culminate in Christ in that same passage. It was a few threads ago, but i think we explored at least 3 examples of this, and i don't know if you were reading then? but 'your' side did not do well there, in the former sense, however i am willing to take another whack at that if you feel you have some Scripture to consider.

I would agree that you likely cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul--which strikes me as the more acceptable way to validate Paul, if that is the goal here--but this requires some adjustments to understanding Paul imo, who begs to be taken literally while speaking of spiritual things. I will say that i was frankly as surprised as your elder no doubt was at finding Christ manifest in even the most Pauline passages, somewhere, but i have not tested this for every passage in the epistles.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, that is kind of...scary; let me just suggest that it is Paul that should be reconciled with Christ, and not vice versa.

Spoken like a false prophet

[consapente89]

Shazeep likes to harass people...you would have thought by now that he would have learned his "much speaking" will never negate the Word of God. His harassment certainly hasn't worked well for him in the past..

[shazeep]

i am harassing someone here?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Spoken like a false prophet

as you are not EB i am inclined to take you seriously--no offense meant to EB--but you have already said this without any explanation, and i am not grasping why my statement elicits this response.

You earlier said "Friend you don't realize what you just did," and since you are right, and i do not, maybe explaining what i did will help clarify this, if clarification is in fact a goal here.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, if i am a false prophet for suggesting that Paul be reconciled with Christ, then so be it; (1) i am not making any prophecies, so i don't quite get your position here, phnx, sorry. And if i have demeaned Paul, i am not understanding how.

(2) I would agree that you likely cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul--which strikes me as the more acceptable way to validate Paul, if that is the goal here--but this requires some adjustments to understanding Paul imo, who begs to be taken literally while speaking of spiritual things. I will say that i was frankly as surprised as your elder no doubt was at finding Christ manifest in even the most Pauline passages, somewhere, but i have not tested this for every passage in the epistles.

Of course you're prophesying falsely!
To what would you have us believe that Paul needs reconciliation? Are
you so deceived by the god of this world (allah) that you think all you
say is "spiritual"? Well, it is spiritual, but certainly not by the Holy Spirit.

(1) You have spoken many things, but none of those things relate to the three
main doctrines of repentance, remission of sins, or being (spiritually)
endowed with the Holy Spirit. Many denominations have at least a "spirit of
repentance" abiding in them, and it shows in their witness and testimony.
You have shown none, at all.

I have been the most patient with you, desiring to see the bud of a fruit in
you. Instead, we have come to this. There is a smirk in the back of your
mind because "someone" has called you a "prophet'. No: you surely are no
prophet, but a "wannabe" prophet, that instead of truth mixes a small known
truth in order to introduce a LIE! "Take heed that no man deceive you. For
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

(2) So you will "agree" that one "cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul": and then
you add a caveat ("some adjustments").

I repeat: put yourself under the Ministry of the Apostle Paul, and you
will do well.