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04-16-2016, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist
If Trump had 55% instead of 45%, or even 75%, they still would be trying to take him down.
If Jeb Bush was leading right now with 45% of the vote among 3 candidates, the establishment would be fine with it and there would be no delegate discussion at all.
If he gets the required number of delegates before the convention, they will try to change the goal posts still.
Your refusal to understand the establishment mindset is remarkable.
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If Trump wins the 1237 delegates, there is no contested convention and he will be the nominee. Period. The establishment is not going to take it away.
Until then, of course Trump has to earn it. And of course the establishment will make it difficult. Listen to Trump bash the GOP leaders. Why should they roll out a red carpet for the guy when he's constantly screaming and whining about everything being rigged.
I don't hear Cruz complaining about these "winner take all" States Trump has won with less than 50% of the vote. That's pretty unfair, but it's the rule.
We'll see what happens in Wyoming today, and how Trump will respond to another delegate loss. Wyoming does this the same way Colorado did, only Wyoming has been doing this for decades with no recent change. Trump isn't going to Wyoming and he cancelled Palin's event. He has little to no ground process in place and will likely, deservedly, lose.
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04-16-2016, 09:39 AM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Ted Cruz is simply schooling Trump on the Art of the Deal. Running for President is a long game. It tests the candidates in many ways. One big test is preparedness, i.e. organization and planning ahead.
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Sadly, you actually believe that Cruz is behind all of his success. He does deserve some credit. But he is being used for now and will be rejected later.
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04-16-2016, 09:41 AM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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You are putting out fear mongering talking points. You don't know that there will be a change of the goal posts. If that happens, deal with it then instead of speculating.
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You , like your side-kick, simply do not understand what motivates the establishment.
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04-16-2016, 09:41 AM
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Great letter from the GOP. They hit the nail on the head. The rules have been established BEFORE the primary began. It is up to Trump, his best brain and best people to learn and know the rules for each State.
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04-16-2016, 09:42 AM
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Beware the VAST ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY!!!
0, you sound as silly as Hillary when she talks about the vast right-wing conspiracy.
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04-16-2016, 11:00 AM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Originally Posted by Originalist
You , like your side-kick, simply do not understand what motivates the establishment.
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Let's review statistics.
Trump usually earns a higher percentage of delegates than votes. If it’s rigged, it’s rigged for Donald Trump.
First number is the percentage of votes won.
2nd number are delegates won, which has caucus states using % to have a common denominator
3rd number is the difference between % of votes and the # of delegates
SC – 32.4% - 100% - +67.6
FL 45.7% – 100% +54.3
AZ 45.9% - 100% - +54
IL 38.8% - 78.3% - +39.4
MO 40.8% - 71.2% - +30.3
AL 43.4% - 72% - +28.6
MP 72.8% - 100% - +27.2
TN 38.9% - 56.9% - +18
GA 38.8% - 56.6% - +17.8
VT 32.7% - 50% - +17.3
HI 42.4% - 57.9% - +15.5
MI 47.3% - 62.5% - +15.2
NH 35.2% - 47.8 - +12.6
VIR 6.4% - 16.7% +10.3
ID 28.1% - 37.5% - +9.4
Ark 32.8% - 40 +7.2
MD 32.6% - 39.1% - +6.5
MI 36.5% - 42.4% - +5.9
Al 33.6% - 39.3% - +5.6
TX 26.7% - 31% - +4.2
MA 49.3% - 52.4% - +3.1
OK 28.3% - 30.2 +1.9
KY 35% - 37% - +1
NV 45.7% - 46.7% - +.9
NC 40.2% - 40.3% - +.1
Virginia 34.7% - 34.7%
He starts to whittle away:
KS 23.4% - 22.5% - -.9
Iowa 24.3% - 23.3% - -1
LA 41.4% - 39.1% -2.3
Puerto Rico 13.1% - 0% -13
Washington DC. 13.8% - 0%
Utah 14% - 0%
Wisconsin 35.1% - 14.3% – -20.8
Ohio 35.6% - 0%
Trump has won higher delegates than votes – 24 of 35 contests – 67%. The system has benefitted Donald Trump, but is still whining about the system being rigged. They system helps Donald Trump and he is still having a problem getting past the finish line. It’s a liberal and emotional game being played by his campaign, calling it rigged.
So, let’s ask Donald to surrender ALL those delegates that exceed his vote number if he thinks it’s unfair. Are you up for that suggestion, Originalist? If not, stop whining. The system isn't rigged against DT.
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04-16-2016, 11:04 AM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Sadly, you actually believe that Cruz is behind all of his success. He does deserve some credit. But he is being used for now and will be rejected later.
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I give credit to his mother, father and his wife. They have stood by his side encouraging him to pursue his dreams. He said in High School that one of his goals was to run and win to be POTUS. I'd say he planned his life out very well and pursued that dream with all of his heart.
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04-16-2016, 11:25 AM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Let's review statistics.
Trump usually earns a higher percentage of delegates than votes. If it’s rigged, it’s rigged for Donald Trump.
First number is the percentage of votes won.
2nd number are delegates won, which has caucus states using % to have a common denominator
3rd number is the difference between % of votes and the # of delegates
SC – 32.4% - 100% - +67.6
FL 45.7% – 100% +54.3
AZ 45.9% - 100% - +54
IL 38.8% - 78.3% - +39.4
MO 40.8% - 71.2% - +30.3
AL 43.4% - 72% - +28.6
MP 72.8% - 100% - +27.2
TN 38.9% - 56.9% - +18
GA 38.8% - 56.6% - +17.8
VT 32.7% - 50% - +17.3
HI 42.4% - 57.9% - +15.5
MI 47.3% - 62.5% - +15.2
NH 35.2% - 47.8 - +12.6
VIR 6.4% - 16.7% +10.3
ID 28.1% - 37.5% - +9.4
Ark 32.8% - 40 +7.2
MD 32.6% - 39.1% - +6.5
MI 36.5% - 42.4% - +5.9
Al 33.6% - 39.3% - +5.6
TX 26.7% - 31% - +4.2
MA 49.3% - 52.4% - +3.1
OK 28.3% - 30.2 +1.9
KY 35% - 37% - +1
NV 45.7% - 46.7% - +.9
NC 40.2% - 40.3% - +.1
Virginia 34.7% - 34.7%
He starts to whittle away:
KS 23.4% - 22.5% - -.9
Iowa 24.3% - 23.3% - -1
LA 41.4% - 39.1% -2.3
Puerto Rico 13.1% - 0% -13
Washington DC. 13.8% - 0%
Utah 14% - 0%
Wisconsin 35.1% - 14.3% – -20.8
Ohio 35.6% - 0%
Trump has won higher delegates than votes – 24 of 35 contests – 67%. The system has benefitted Donald Trump, but is still whining about the system being rigged. They system helps Donald Trump and he is still having a problem getting past the finish line. It’s a liberal and emotional game being played by his campaign, calling it rigged.
So, let’s ask Donald to surrender ALL those delegates that exceed his vote number if he thinks it’s unfair. Are you up for that suggestion, Originalist? If not, stop whining. The system isn't rigged against DT.
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PO, facts and stats don't matter to Trump supporters. Neither do the rules which have been in place since before the primary began. Earning the nomination is unfair and proof of the vast establishment conspiracy.
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04-16-2016, 12:31 PM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Let's review statistics.
Trump usually earns a higher percentage of delegates than votes. If it’s rigged, it’s rigged for Donald Trump.
First number is the percentage of votes won.
2nd number are delegates won, which has caucus states using % to have a common denominator
3rd number is the difference between % of votes and the # of delegates
SC – 32.4% - 100% - +67.6
FL 45.7% – 100% +54.3
AZ 45.9% - 100% - +54
IL 38.8% - 78.3% - +39.4
MO 40.8% - 71.2% - +30.3
AL 43.4% - 72% - +28.6
MP 72.8% - 100% - +27.2
TN 38.9% - 56.9% - +18
GA 38.8% - 56.6% - +17.8
VT 32.7% - 50% - +17.3
HI 42.4% - 57.9% - +15.5
MI 47.3% - 62.5% - +15.2
NH 35.2% - 47.8 - +12.6
VIR 6.4% - 16.7% +10.3
ID 28.1% - 37.5% - +9.4
Ark 32.8% - 40 +7.2
MD 32.6% - 39.1% - +6.5
MI 36.5% - 42.4% - +5.9
Al 33.6% - 39.3% - +5.6
TX 26.7% - 31% - +4.2
MA 49.3% - 52.4% - +3.1
OK 28.3% - 30.2 +1.9
KY 35% - 37% - +1
NV 45.7% - 46.7% - +.9
NC 40.2% - 40.3% - +.1
Virginia 34.7% - 34.7%
He starts to whittle away:
KS 23.4% - 22.5% - -.9
Iowa 24.3% - 23.3% - -1
LA 41.4% - 39.1% -2.3
Puerto Rico 13.1% - 0% -13
Washington DC. 13.8% - 0%
Utah 14% - 0%
Wisconsin 35.1% - 14.3% – -20.8
Ohio 35.6% - 0%
Trump has won higher delegates than votes – 24 of 35 contests – 67%. The system has benefitted Donald Trump, but is still whining about the system being rigged. They system helps Donald Trump and he is still having a problem getting past the finish line. It’s a liberal and emotional game being played by his campaign, calling it rigged.
So, let’s ask Donald to surrender ALL those delegates that exceed his vote number if he thinks it’s unfair. Are you up for that suggestion, Originalist? If not, stop whining. The system isn't rigged against DT.
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Did I say that the system was rigged against Trump?
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04-16-2016, 12:46 PM
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Re: More Trump Campaign Failures
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Did I say that the system was rigged against Trump?
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By virtue of claiming there's a vast establishment conspiracy against Trump, yes you have.
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