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04-11-2016, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist
Shame on all of you who approve of what has happened in Colorado. You will ignore the obvious and find a way to justify ,never considering why the establishment is doing this.
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It's incredible that no one complained about this back in August when the executive board (of tea party conservatives and party establishment) voted to change the primary this year.
This isn't something done this week or last month. This was done months before the first primary contest. It wasn't hidden, it was noted by the various news orgs in Colorado. This wasn't a vast establishment conspiracy to thwart Trump.
Cruz knew about it. Kasich knew about it. The only one who didn't seem to know about it was Trump.
That's Trump's fault. He blew another primary again. He has no one to blame but himself.
Shame on Trump and his great mind for blowing another primary.
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04-11-2016, 12:50 AM
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"""@benshapiro: Guys, you don't understand. REAL democracy requires that the guy who wins 37% of the vote be treated as if he has won 50%."""
Actually Trump wants the GOP to act as though he's won the full 100% of the 1237 delegates. Even if he doesn't.
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04-11-2016, 08:05 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
Totally sick of Trump whining that he isn't the inevitable winner because he has to follow the rules.
Judge Jeanine is being very dishonest in this video taking Cruz's statement about NY Values out of context. Even George Will said Ted Cruz is right about NY Values. Of course, we already know that Judge Jeanine is a supporter of Trump. Is it because of the money he gave her - $20,000. Donald Trump doesn't have to play fair, he buys everyone.
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If Trump Doesn’t Understand 156 Year Old Political Rules, How Will He Understand the Presidency?
Donald Trump is again complaining about the delegate rules of the Republican Party — delegate rules that have existed in various forms for 156 years. In fact, the present delegate rules have not really changed in decades, requiring that the nominee of the party get a majority of the delegates of the party to be the party’s nominee.
Donald Trump entered the race knowing he would need 1,237 delegates. But the man who claims he surrounds himself with experts and top men to advise him on things surrounded himself with advisors who told him not to worry about the delegates. Now Trump is having to bring in new people to play the delegate game, which is an acknowledgement that the rule for a majority will no be waived.
But along the way, both Trump and his supporters have taken to whining incessantly about the majority requirement. Publicly they think it should be changed to a plurality, though neither the delegate rules nor the Electoral College rules will be changed from majority to plurality.
Just because Donald Trump has the most delegates does not mean he has a majority of delegates. The rules matter.
See full article: http://theresurgent.com/if-trump-doe...he-presidency/
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04-11-2016, 08:51 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
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Originally Posted by n david
"""@benshapiro: Guys, you don't understand. REAL democracy requires that the guy who wins 37% of the vote be treated as if he has won 50%."""
Actually Trump wants the GOP to act as though he's won the full 100% of the 1237 delegates. Even if he doesn't.
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He would have won over 50% if the Party itself was not arrayed against him.
Trump is competing against Ted Cruz and also against the establishment. So winning over one third of the votes making him the winner.
1 Ted Cruz
2 The establishment
3 Tramp
100%/3 = 33%
37 % Trump = Trump wins
There are three competitors in the race (Kasich does not even count, he is just part of the Establishment)
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04-11-2016, 09:06 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
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He would have won over 50% if the Party itself was not arrayed against him.
Trump is competing against Ted Cruz and also against the establishment. So winning over one third of the votes making him the winner.
1 Ted Cruz
2 The establishment
3 Tramp
100%/3 = 33%
37 % Trump = Trump wins
There are three competitors in the race (Kasich does not even count, he is just part of the Establishment)
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And you don't think the Party arrayed itself against Ted Cruz?
I don't think people are paying much attention to the "Party". Look at Ted Cruz, who had the Establishment in both parties gunning against him, along with the media, including Fox News. He started out with a 6% chance of winning this nomination. Now look where he is today.
I've heard it said that Ted Cruz is now Establishment - which is laughable. The delegates supporting Ted think otherwise. The delegates that are supporting Ted Cruz are not Establishment, they are the grassroots.
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04-11-2016, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
He would have won over 50% if the Party itself was not arrayed against him.
Trump is competing against Ted Cruz and also against the establishment. So winning over one third of the votes making him the winner.
1 Ted Cruz
2 The establishment
3 Tramp
100%/3 = 33%
37 % Trump = Trump wins
There are three competitors in the race (Kasich does not even count, he is just part of the Establishment)
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Poor Trump. He should have been gifted the nomination for showing up and giving speeches! How dare he have to play by the rules!
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04-11-2016, 09:32 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
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Poor Trump. He should have been gifted the nomination for showing up and giving speeches! How dare he have to play by the rules!
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Look at the stats:
Trump Is The Weakest GOP Front-Runner In The Modern Era
This portion of the article tells you WHY Trump is whining and pushing for plurality instead of majority. And why Trump and his camp are pushing for violence at the Convention:
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Unless something radically changes, Trump will finish the primary season with the lowest percentage of the primary vote and the lowest share of delegates of any Republican presidential primary vote leader since caucuses and primaries became the main method for selecting nominees.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...he-modern-era/
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Trump has recently stated he doesn't care about the rules. Do we need that kind of leader in the White House? No, we don't.
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04-11-2016, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Trump has recently stated he doesn't care about the rules. Do we need that kind of leader in the White House? No, we don't.
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We already have a leader like this currently in the White House.
The same ones applauding Trump for his rhetoric about breaking the rules, have complained and screamed about obama doing the same these past 8 years.
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04-11-2016, 09:57 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
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We already have a leader like this currently in the White House.
The same ones applauding Trump for his rhetoric about breaking the rules, have complained and screamed about obama doing the same these past 8 years.
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That is true. They say that Ted Cruz is "cheating" on the delegate issue. That implies Ted is breaking the rules. He is simply following the rules. It's not Cruz's fault that Trump's people don't have their ground game together.
Trump wanted his reality show status to crown him. He doesn't understand there are some of us, including myself, who have never liked him and have never seen ONE episode of the Apprentice.
I saw someone tweet a copy of the CO delegate ballot that had #378 printed twice. #377 #378 #378 #380. Not sure the ballot was legit, but it's a no-brainer that #379 comes before #380. LOL! They try to blame Ted Cruz when he isn't responsible for printing the delegate ballots. LOL!
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04-11-2016, 10:11 AM
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Re: This won't matter to the purists
“I do whine because I want to win, and I’m not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner. And I keep whining and whining until I win.” ~ Donald Trump to CNN, 8/11/15
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A Whining Whiner Who Whines: Will Donald Trump Be Able to Whine His Way to Victory?
But before Trump cult members accuse us of beating up on the bloviating billionaire and reality game show actor for calling his complaints as “whining,” keep in mind that is precisely what he called the tactic during an interview with CNN in August of last year. Above and beyond that, Trumpaloompas, Trump himself admitted that he is a “whiner,” so I am simply reminding you of Trump’s own words (I get it, that is often extremely painful. But remember — “he started it!”).
See more: http://politistick.com/donald-trump-whining-whiner/
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