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Old 12-18-2015, 07:08 PM
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Re: When the other GOP candidates quit....

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No, he just lies about the records of other candidates and lies about what he will do.

Rubio is a liar. After watching the recent debate and reading excerpts of his recent campaign speeches, I don't trust anything he says.

He's also lazy and doesn't take his job as Senator seriously. He has one of the worst voting records in the Senate. Like obama, he's missed a ton of votes.

Also, there are more voting Dems and liberals than Republicans. Conservative voters are lazy, unfortunately.
Conservative voters aren't lazy at all. In fact, in "off year" election cycles, conservative voters always show up en masse knowing that the people who disagree with them probably will either be too busy to vote (work, school, life) or too lazy and unconcerned to vote.

As far as I know, Rubio is not a liar.
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Conservatives are lazy voters.

Yes, Rubio is a liar.

He flat out lied about Cruz during the debate and at stump speeches after. Rubio was the Gang of 8 for amnesty, not Cruz.

Rubio lied about when his parents came to the US. He claimed it was after Castro's takeover, when in fact records show it was years before.

And his voting record is abysmal. He didn't even show up to vote on the Omnibus bill, after talking big and tough about it.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-force-changes

He's a flake. If he can't do a simple job as casting a vote, no way I'd trust him to be President.

Unfortunately, FoxNews and the establishment GOP have propped him up since Bush is doing so poorly. He's a terrible candidate and would be beaten badly, just as McCain and Romney were, perhaps even worse.
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Conservatives are lazy voters.

Yes, Rubio is a liar.

He flat out lied about Cruz during the debate and at stump speeches after. Rubio was the Gang of 8 for amnesty, not Cruz.

Rubio lied about when his parents came to the US. He claimed it was after Castro's takeover, when in fact records show it was years before.

And his voting record is abysmal. He didn't even show up to vote on the Omnibus bill, after talking big and tough about it.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-force-changes

He's a flake. If he can't do a simple job as casting a vote, no way I'd trust him to be President.

Unfortunately, FoxNews and the establishment GOP have propped him up since Bush is doing so poorly. He's a terrible candidate and would be beaten badly, just as McCain and Romney were, perhaps even worse.
McCain and Romney are part of the "establishment GOP"? Your statement doesn't take into account that Romney lost because of his own words and his own poor performance on the campaign trail (debates, impressions, etc).

You and I have spoken about McCain before. I think McCain ran for President at the wrong time. I don't remember, but I don't think he ran in 1999. He should have run back then. I think McCain would have beat Gore without the help of the Supreme Court.
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Rubio is the GOP's chance to bring in many Hispanic voters to the GOP. Rubio is a common sense Republican. Why must we force the GOP to put someone out front that in the recesses of our mind we KNOW is unelectable?

Trump's biggest political enemy is Trump.
Cruz' biggest political enemy is Cruz.
Carson self-destruction is disappointing and his biggest political enemy is Carson.

Rubio will reach millions that Cruz will never reach because of Cruz' words.

Too many conservatives forget that they have to share this country with other American citizens who are much more moderate and centrist in their views.
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Re: When the other GOP candidates quit....

JD every time the GOP runs a moderate they lose: Romney, McCain, Dole, Bush Sr., Ford...
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Rubio is the GOP's chance to bring in many Hispanic voters to the GOP.
Yet in his own home state, he's under water in favorability ratings: 39% fav - 42% unfav. And nationally, he's also under water, 31%-36% (fav-unfav).

http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/...latino-voters/

So where's the proof that he's the GOP's best chance to win the Latino vote?

IMO, no Republican will ever get over 40-45% with Latinos. The GOP position against amnesty and illegal immigration will not allow it.

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Rubio will reach millions that Cruz will never reach because of Cruz' words.
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Too many conservatives forget that they have to share this country with other American citizens who are much more moderate and centrist in their views.
Funny, obama and his ilk have run roughshod over conservatives the past 7 years, as though the whole of the US is for abortion rights, gay rights and socialized healthcare.

Ironic you only single out Republicans, yet again, for this type of criticism and not obama.
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JD every time the GOP runs a moderate they lose: Romney, McCain, Dole, Bush Sr., Ford...
Romney's loss had nothing to do with being a moderate.

McCain did not run as a moderate. He ran as a maverick and was portrayed as a war-mongering hawk. Nothing about his loss screamed "moderate". He was NEVER portrayed and received as moderate.

Dole's personality (lack thereof) did him in.

Bush Sr.? I was a kid but even I remember what did him in, "Read my lips. No new taxes." He set himself up for failure, by making a bold promise to all of America that he could not keep. Then, there was that recession and recessions will make a one-term President out of most politicians (except Barack Hussein Obama).

Wasn't Ford a vestige from Nixon? Do you really think anyone connected to Nixon would have won so soon after what had happened?

My point, America is a politically centrist country and the candidates you have named didn't lose because they were moderates.
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As Sen. Marco Rubio prepares his presidential campaign, a pollster who specializes in surveying Latinos cast doubt on whether the Florida Republican will help the GOP make inroads with Hispanics.

Latino Decisions, founded by professors Gary M. Segura and Matt A. Barreto, said Mr. Rubio carries a negative rating among Hispanics into a presidential campaign, and said he also will suffer because of his opposition to Obamacare and to President Obama's executive actions granting a deportation amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.

"We find no evidence that Rubio's candidacy will draw significant Latino support for his candidacy or for his party more generally," the pollsters wrote Friday.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...fans/?page=all
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Republicans who assume Marco Rubio could successfully woo large blocs of Hispanic voters in 2016 could be in for a rude surprise.

The Florida senator, dynamic and bilingual, seems to embody a new generation of Latino leaders. But even if he wins the Republican presidential nomination, experts say, Rubio faces two daunting hurdles: the GOP's anti-immigrant rhetoric and his own retreat from comprehensive immigration reform two years ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...vote/74013866/
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He is imminently more attractive than Cruz will ever be.

Cruz is staunchly anti-amnesty.
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