Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Whether they were saved or not, that is up for God to decide not us.
you can believe anything you want to, but that does not necessarily makes it true, people used to sincerely believe the earth was round.
in the middle ages people actually believed in werewolves, there are even drawings of them beasts, which many people swore they were real.
Where's that smiley that looks like Grandpa from the Munsters?
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
There are going to be people who have been baptized in Jesus name that are still not going to heaven. I agree that being baptized in Jesus name is correct and important, but there is more to salvation than how you are baptized.
I cannot speak for everyone but I don't believe salvation is something you accomplish by one act of obedience. I don't believe in once saved always saved. Hence there will be people baptized in Jesus name not in heaven.
As to those not baptized in Jesus name..... the bible says "there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved" take that how you will.
I want everyone to be saved. I would like it not to matter, but I cannot read the bible and believe what it says and then draw the conclusion that it does not. I also agree with those that spoke of people's works not saving them for many will say that they have done great and important things in His name but they will still not be in heaven.
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Where's that smiley that looks like Grandpa from the Munsters?
Where is that smiley?
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by amh
Some might not have been baptized, and even if they were it might not have been in Jesus name. Some might not have spoken in tongues. Some might have been trinitarian. If Acts 2:38 is indeed the New Testament plan of salvation, have these martyrs for the cause of Christ died in vain?
There have been times I have wondered about them, too... Such a thing is ultimately in the hands of God, but I do believe He stands by His word.
Though to me it seems unfair that a person who would be willing to die for Jesus would not be accepted into heaven, all I have is scripture that tells me unless a person is born again he cannot enter the kingdom.
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
It is really quite simple if you think about it. We are not saved by works of any kind, we are saved by faith in Christ through the work of the cross. Works will follow the ones that have faith in Christ. Including baptism, etc.
The only thing Christ was saying in Matt. 7:22, was that our works will not save us. Just because someone makes a name for themselves casting out devils and prophecies in the name of the Lord does not save them, if they do not have true faith in God and obey the law of God to love God and love your neighbor as themselves.
If our works are not a reflection of Christ in our life, they are of no avail, and God will not recognize them. James does not say "I will perform works that I might be saved and have faith" He said, "I will show you my faith by the works that I do".
In other words, we must have faith that saves us first or our works don't amount to a hill of beans. Romans 4, Eph. 2:8,
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I don't think we should leave any scripture out that would pertain to the situation. Certainly those who have died for the Lord have confessed Him before men. The question in my mind then is... how to we reconcile that with scripture that says you must be born again? Are martyrs who have not been born again exceptions?
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
It is really quite simple if you think about it. We are not saved by works of any kind, we are saved by faith in Christ through the work of the cross. Works will follow the ones that have faith in Christ. Including baptism, etc.
The only thing Christ was saying in Matt. 7:22, was that our works will not save us. Just because someone makes a name for themselves casting out devils and prophecies in the name of the Lord does not save them, if they do not have true faith in God and obey the law of God to love God and love your neighbor as themselves.
If our works are not a reflection of Christ in our life, they are of no avail, and God will not recognize them. James does not say "I will perform works that I might be saved and have faith" He said, "I will show you my faith by the works that I do".
In other words, we must have faith that saves us first or our works don't amount to a hill of beans. Romans 4, Eph. 2:8,
Loren,
#1...the works being spoken of here, are under the context of the Law of Moses, not Spirit Led works.
#2...these passages were written to folks that were already saved through Spirit led works.(Telling them the Law they left in the rear view mirror cannot save them, but to continue in Spirit led works)
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Repentance is a work, and it is "God led".
Israel was even water baptized as a Spirit led experience(Grace)....1 Corinthians 10
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;(the Law of works came after salvation)
Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
Some things we will only know at judgment....it is for us that know to obey what we know and leave what we do not know in the hands of Him who knows all things....
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