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Old 06-11-2007, 10:56 PM
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CEO's have been fired with better results.

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Net gain.

Lets do the math. Thats 80 ministers and 20 churches per year.

That is very sluggish growth.

That means that 30 states per year have not even added one church.
That's not quite two new ministers per state per year.
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Old 06-11-2007, 10:58 PM
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CEO's have been fired with better results.
Well, we need to consider the amount of church plants that fail (no knowledge)and the amount of churches that leave per year (around 25-30).

Lots of inward and outward movement.
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:23 PM
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I guess we're doing okay then here in BC. The lower mainland district of ACOP is presently planting three new churches.
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Old 06-12-2007, 09:57 AM
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Well, we need to consider the amount of church plants that fail (no knowledge)and the amount of churches that leave per year (around 25-30).

Lots of inward and outward movement.
I personally know of 2 daughter works that ultimately failed in the last 10 yrs.

These stats are sad. Certainly we couldn't be coming to the change of an era?

Are the circus tents coming down?
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:04 PM
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I think the hardest thing for Oneness Pentecost to do is move outside of the comfort zone and go to the "hard places".

Part of it is that there are still plenty of places in the "Bible Belt" that need churches, pastors, etc.

For example while a farily small Southern town might not need three or four OP churches the fact of the matter is that for one reason or another they are there and each one needs a pastor. Many times there are dynamics at play that keep these churches from consolidating. Thus a small town may use the services or three or four OP preachers while entire counties go without a single OP church.

I think more young preachers starting out ought to be urged to pioneer works in the tough areas. I don't know many that do that although I recently got an email from a young UPC evangelist from the Deep South who has been visiting Michigan the last few years and preaching a lot there. He developed a burden for the urban Detroit area and is doing missions work there. Knowing his roots I would say that is as far from his comfort zone as one can get!
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:03 PM
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I think the hardest thing for Oneness Pentecost to do is move outside of the comfort zone and go to the "hard places".

Part of it is that there are still plenty of places in the "Bible Belt" that need churches, pastors, etc.

For example while a farily small Southern town might not need three or four OP churches the fact of the matter is that for one reason or another they are there and each one needs a pastor. Many times there are dynamics at play that keep these churches from consolidating. Thus a small town may use the services or three or four OP preachers while entire counties go without a single OP church.

I think more young preachers starting out ought to be urged to pioneer works in the tough areas. I don't know many that do that although I recently got an email from a young UPC evangelist from the Deep South who has been visiting Michigan the last few years and preaching a lot there. He developed a burden for the urban Detroit area and is doing missions work there. Knowing his roots I would say that is as far from his comfort zone as one can get!

You can't force a burden. It just has to be present.

Also, take it from someone who has been there and done that, church planting has a lot of risks and very little earthly reward. That is hard for some folks to deal with.

I am just now recovering from a year-long depression stemming from the violence of the seven year fight to plant our church. Church planting is not for the faint of heart.
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Also, take it from someone who has been there and done that, church planting has a lot of risks and very little earthly reward. That is hard for some folks to deal with.
Finding that out, bro.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:05 PM
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Net gain.

Lets do the math. Thats 80 ministers and 20 churches per year.

That is very sluggish growth.

That means that 30 states per year have not even added one church.
That's not quite two new ministers per state per year.
That's amazing. Yet ... the propaganda machine says differently
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