Another Young Black Man Killed By Police - Page 2

n david · #11 03-08-2015, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

The black community is minutes away from Walkers house. One could day that he lives in their neighborhood. The high school dropout rate for black students is 50%. Gangs are on the rise.

Yet I have never heard Gov. Walker ever address these issues. The mayor of Madison is quite involved in these issues.

I am not smart enough to know how to tackle these tough social issues. The headlines are a symptom of a growing problem in our society.

Gov Walker has nothing to do with this.

You're beginning to appear as a liberal hack, blaming and accusing Walker of anything and everything.

I understand your primo job as an elected member of an advisory board is possibly in jeopardy, but use some common sense and don't be a political hack, accusing Walker of something with which he had no involvement.

This is a local police issue, not the Governor's.

Dropouts are the fault of the parents. Gangs will be around no matter who is in the Governor's mansion. For that matter, so will the dropout rate.

Scott Pitta · #12 03-09-2015, 02:32 AM

I suppose it is asking too much for a person to help out a kid in need in his own neighborhood.

Seeing that Walker is a college dropout, I thought he could sympathize with kids dropping out of high school.

Walker has made dramatic changes to education in Wisconsin. But he has never lifted a finger to address the dropout rate of students in Madison. Walker talks all the time, but not about this subject.

If you are not white, Walker does not see you.

Truthseeker · #13 03-09-2015, 04:59 AM

How is drop out rates his fault? It's a home issue.

Originalist · #14 03-09-2015, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I suppose it is asking too much for a person to help out a kid in need in his own neighborhood.

Seeing that Walker is a college dropout, I thought he could sympathize with kids dropping out of high school.

Walker has made dramatic changes to education in Wisconsin. But he has never lifted a finger to address the dropout rate of students in Madison. Walker talks all the time, but not about this subject.

If you are not white, Walker does not see you.

I asked you before, I'll ask again.....

And what can a governor do, particularly a GOP white governor? No matter what he might do or say it will be labeled racist criticism of the black community. Your statement reminds me of a remark Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico said once while giving a Democrat response to a GW Bush He chided Bush for "not doing enough to start a Federal program to prevent Hispanic teens from dropping out of High School". Oh now that certainly is a role for the Federal government to waste tax payer money on! I read that right there in the Constitution! My question for Richardson was, what did he do as governor if he thought it was a role of government?

n david · #15 03-09-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

I asked you before, I'll ask again.....

And what can a governor do, particularly a GOP white governor? No matter what he might do or say it will be labeled racist criticism of the black community. Your statement reminds me of a remark Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico said once while giving a Democrat response to a GW Bush He chided Bush for "not doing enough to start a Federal program to prevent Hispanic teens from dropping out of High School". Oh now that certainly is a role for the Federal government to waste tax payer money on! I read that right there in the Constitution! My question for Richardson was, what did he do as governor if he thought it was a role of government?

Scott Pitta isn't interested in answering the question. He's got a gripe against Walker because the advisory board he's on may be rendered moot by Walker. His information seemed good at first, now he just appears to be a political hack with an axe to grind.

n david · #16 03-09-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I suppose it is asking too much for a person to help out a kid in need in his own neighborhood.

Do you help out those in need in your neighborhood?

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Seeing that Walker is a college dropout, I thought he could sympathize with kids dropping out of high school.

You got jokes.

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Walker has made dramatic changes to education in Wisconsin. But he has never lifted a finger to address the dropout rate of students in Madison. Walker talks all the time, but not about this subject.

Wouldn't the dropout rate of students in Madison be a Mayoral issue? I mean, if we're allowing the parents of these dropouts a pass, the primary local political office in Madison is that of the Mayor.

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

The mayor of Madison is quite involved in these issues.

If Mayor Soglin (D) is "quite involved," then why is the dropout rate so high? Here's a thought, maybe the issue is deadbeat parents and not local/state politicians.

I shouldn't feed the troll, but again, the Governor isn't responsible for the dropout rate in Madison. The primary responsibility falls to the parents. Any issues you have with politicians not addressing the issue should first be directed towards the Madison Mayor's office, not the Governor's office.

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

If you are not white, Walker does not see you.

You're just a political hack. You did pretty well covering it up the first couple posts, but the thing about political hacks is sooner or later they just can't help themselves.

Jermyn Davidson · #17 03-09-2015, 10:59 AM

There were two phone calls that brought the police to the area where this guy was-- one of the phone calls had to do with a disturbance FROM INSIDE the young mans house.

The police forced his way into the young man's house because he thought he heard a "disturbance" from INSIDE the young man's house.

The scuffle happened INSIDE the young man's house.

The police killed the young man while he was INSIDE his own house.

I'd like to know if there was anyone else inside the young man's house from the get go.

I'd like to know what was the NATURE of the disturbance from INSIDE the young man's house that made the police decide to FORCE his way INSIDE THE YOUNG MAN'S HOUSE.

My gut feeling is that there really isn't a valid justification for this shooting but there is an investigation pending and would need to see the results. Too many unanswered questions.

The police killed this young man inside his home. Someone else brought up search and seizure laws. This does seem fishy.

n david · #18 03-09-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There were two phone calls that brought the police to the area where this guy was-- one of the phone calls had to do with a disturbance FROM INSIDE the young mans house.

The police forced his way into the young man's house because he thought he heard a "disturbance" from INSIDE the young man's house.

The scuffle happened INSIDE the young man's house.

The police killed the young man while he was INSIDE his own house.

I'd like to know if there was anyone else inside the young man's house from the get go.

I'd like to know what was the NATURE of the disturbance from INSIDE the young man's house that made the police decide to FORCE his way INSIDE THE YOUNG MAN'S HOUSE.

My gut feeling is that there really isn't a valid justification for this shooting but there is an investigation pending and would need to see the results. Too many unanswered questions.

The police killed this young man inside his home. Someone else brought up search and seizure laws. This does seem fishy.

First call was about someone jumping into traffic. Second call alleged battery.

The officer who responded claimed he heard a disturbance inside the home. Legally, he was then able to force his way into the home.

I've read several headlines and stories of officers forcing their way into a home (legally - due to "hearing a disturbance") which resulted in someone in the home being shot or killed by the officer. It's sad, because a few stories stated the person killed or arrested didn't even know it was a cop entering the home, they were in another part of the house and just responded to the noise of a forced entry.

The officer claims the kid assaulted him and apparently the officer shot him in self defense. I would give the officer the benefit of the doubt as to why he entered the home. Personally, that's the last thing I would want to do as a cop. He's blind to who or what he'll find inside. Since he entered the home, I would bet he had a good reason to do so.

A lot unanswered questions. I don't know that the investigation will even answer them all.

Did the officer have backup, or was he alone?
Did the kid answer the door, or was he in a back room and didn't see the officer but responded to someone forcefully entering his home?
What type of "disturbance" did the officer hear which made him decide to force his way inside?
Did the kid use a weapon, or grab for the officer's weapon?
If alone, could the officer have waited for backup, or was the type of disturbance he heard life-threatening?