The Anti-christ IS the "restrainer"?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted

Is a preterite a cross between a preterist and a meteorite?

Both go flaming across the sky to burn up in re-entry?

Preterite is an adjective, preterist is a noun.

[Michael The Disciple]

2 Thess 2:7

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Verse 7 is speaking about what is witholding THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

That is the subject being addressed.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

2 Thess 2:7

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Verse 7 is speaking about what is witholding THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

That is the subject being addressed.

Not according to the context of verse 3.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not according to the context of verse 3.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Mike,

Stay in CONTEXT. Remember the chapter numbers are inserted by men. Go back just a few verses and your eyes may be opened.

Who's revelation is being discussed from the beginning?

2 Thess 1:7-8

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Mike,

Stay in CONTEXT. Remember the chapter numbers are inserted by men. Go back just a few verses and your eyes may be opened.

Who's revelation is being discussed from the beginning?

2 Thess 1:7-8

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

When a verse is only four verses away from a specific one that is in question, we have to read the context of the immediate few verses rather than go back a chapter to find the antecedent for "he", whether chapter divisions are moot or not. In this case the context changed since chapter 1 in reference to the revealing in chapter 2. We cannot ignore immediate context.

[mfblume]

The he in verse 7 can only be the son of perdition in verse 3 since JESUS is not mentioned in antecedent manner between 3 and 7.

[Michael The Disciple]

With THAT in mind Paul goes to the heart of the matter? When will HE BE REVEALED?

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Jesus coming/revelation is being delayed by time. It cannot happen till the man of sin is first revealed.

There are two revealings. The subject is the coming/revelation of Jesus is whats being delayed or "witheld".

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

With THAT in mind Paul goes to the heart of the matter? When will HE BE REVEALED?

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Jesus coming/revelation is being delayed by time. It cannot happen till the man of sin is first revealed.

There are two revealings. The subject is the coming/revelation of Jesus is whats is being delayed or "witheld".

That violates reading flow and context and antecedent issues from verse three to seven. Sorry.

[mfblume]

He in verse 6 is the he in verse 7. In turn, he in verse 6 is son of perdition in verse 3. Follow the "he" and antecdent link. JESUS being revealed is not mentioned between verse 3 and 7.

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Originalist, you'd see this, right?