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Old 09-02-2014, 10:46 PM
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Re: Why all the circles?

Well, if parallels can be made with the children of Israel, and their exodus out of Egypt into the promised land comparing that with our leaving the world behind, follow Jesus, and entering into heaven... what does the bible say about those Israelites who were allowed into the promised land? Just a good place to begin looking to see how God set the precedent then, and how it will be with the final judgment, and who gets to enter into heaven (promised land) having left Egypt (the world) behind.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:15 PM
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Well, if parallels can be made with the children of Israel, and their exodus out of Egypt into the promised land comparing that with our leaving the world behind, follow Jesus, and entering into heaven... what does the bible say about those Israelites who were allowed into the promised land? Just a good place to begin looking to see how God set the precedent then, and how it will be with the final judgment, and who gets to enter into heaven (promised land) having left Egypt (the world) behind.
OK KBTW, but how do I know if your version of leaving Egypt behind sufficiently matches mine? How can I tell if your circle and my circle agree enough? what is the biblical criteria for being unequally yoked together with an unbeliever? If your sleeve length is different than mine, can I then exclude your circle? I mean, I don't want my circle to get polluted, right? If you are a woman and cut your hair or wear pants, will you pollute my circle? Not only are there many circles, each circle seems to have its own rules and guidelines. And what if I want to join another circle? How do I know that I won't be lost?
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:28 AM
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OK Michael, but who gets to determine who is "Sold Out" to the Lord sufficiently?
Jesus does a pretty good job of it, methinks.
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Old 09-03-2014, 07:53 AM
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Jesus does a pretty good job of it, methinks.
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They have a REAL PERSONAL fellowship with Yeshua Christ. He will MANIFEST himself to THEM.

They will be SATISFIED with his favor.
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:09 AM
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Consider this. WHO IS A DISCIPLE OF JESUS?

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25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26-27

Its clear that Jesus ONLY counts people who are entirely sold out to him as HIS DISCIPLE. The rest may make that confession but is not accepted by him.

So when Christ says by this all will know you are my disciples he was addressing those who HAD FORSAKEN ALL to follow him. He was addressing those who HAD TAKEN UP THE CROSS to follow him.

See the difference? He certainly is not speaking to Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, or even Pentecostals who DO NOT fit his view of being a disciple.

They may all accept each other but that does not mean Christ accepts them.
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:23 AM
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Re: Why all the circles?

It is reported there exists approximately 41,000 ("professing") Christian denominations in the world today, making it extremely confusing for one seeking to find "the One True Church." For they are, as should be easily recognized, confronted with a most formidable task of making that critical, but essential, distinction between which amongst them is IT. An awareness of this seemingly discouraging "news," should serve as a warning of one's need to "look" solely to God for directions when seeking to find "the One True Church," and not to fallible man.
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Consider this. WHO IS A DISCIPLE OF JESUS?

Answer:

25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26-27

Its clear that Jesus ONLY counts people who are entirely sold out to him as HIS DISCIPLE. The rest may make that confession but is not accepted by him.

So when Christ says by this all will know you are my disciples he was addressing those who HAD FORSAKEN ALL to follow him. He was addressing those who HAD TAKEN UP THE CROSS to follow him.

See the difference? He certainly is not speaking to Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, or even Pentecostals who DO NOT fit his view of being a disciple.

They may all accept each other but that does not mean Christ accepts them.

We need to be careful how we interpret the Word. This is making it out to seem like we must sell everything and live in a cardboard box 24/7 and pray to be a disciple of Jesus. To have this view contradicts with other scriptures. Jesus said he wants everyone saved. If you interpret it the way some would have you to interpret the bible there will only be a handful of people in heaven. So God why take so long to prepare a place if only a handful of people will be there?

God did not come here, preach, heal the sick, raise the dead, die on the cross, just to save a handful of folks again. Please people. You have to consider the time in which this was written. Everybody can't site at home and pray 24/7 even though the bible says men ought to pray always.

It frustrates me to see people talk like this.
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Old 09-03-2014, 04:23 PM
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We need to be careful how we interpret the Word. This is making it out to seem like we must sell everything and live in a cardboard box 24/7 and pray to be a disciple of Jesus. To have this view contradicts with other scriptures. Jesus said he wants everyone saved. If you interpret it the way some would have you to interpret the bible there will only be a handful of people in heaven. So God why take so long to prepare a place if only a handful of people will be there?

God did not come here, preach, heal the sick, raise the dead, die on the cross, just to save a handful of folks again. Please people. You have to consider the time in which this was written. Everybody can't site at home and pray 24/7 even though the bible says men ought to pray always.

It frustrates me to see people talk like this.
Most will not enter Heaven only a few.

22And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luke 13:22-24

Jesus said so. Hmmm now what was that he said about forsaking all to be HIS disciple?

The problem is ALWAYS unbelief.

Modern Christians don't believe the teachings and warnings, and commandments of Jesus.

They DO believe the doctrines of men. That the lukewarm and those with sin in their lives will be saved.
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Old 09-03-2014, 04:27 PM
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Well, if parallels can be made with the children of Israel, and their exodus out of Egypt into the promised land comparing that with our leaving the world behind, follow Jesus, and entering into heaven... what does the bible say about those Israelites who were allowed into the promised land? Just a good place to begin looking to see how God set the precedent then, and how it will be with the final judgment, and who gets to enter into heaven (promised land) having left Egypt (the world) behind.
Was it not 600 thousand men who left Egypt?

How many entered the land? JOSHUA AND CALEB.

Not even Moses! We should be stunned by this. But nope. Just business as usual!
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We need to be careful how we interpret the Word. This is making it out to seem like we must sell everything and live in a cardboard box 24/7 and pray to be a disciple of Jesus. To have this view contradicts with other scriptures. Jesus said he wants everyone saved. If you interpret it the way some would have you to interpret the bible there will only be a handful of people in heaven. So God why take so long to prepare a place if only a handful of people will be there?

God did not come here, preach, heal the sick, raise the dead, die on the cross, just to save a handful of folks again. Please people. You have to consider the time in which this was written. Everybody can't site at home and pray 24/7 even though the bible says men ought to pray always.

It frustrates me to see people talk like this.
I think many make an emotional conclusion based not upon what the bible says for salvation, but upon what they think God would or wouldn't do with all the religious mindsets in view. We must go by what the bible says will save us, not by what we think God will do with souls apart from that.
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