ISIS Beheads American Journalist

[Aquila]

They are a part of the preparation for their coming Al-Mahdi.

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/June18/184.html

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Arab people of the Middle-east, and especially Muslims, do not consider national identity the chief unifying cultural factor. It doesn't matter how many people in ISIS are actual citizens of Iraq. That isn't the rallying point.

And yes, a Caliphate is the ultimate goal, and yes, it appears they will stop at nothing, unless stopped by force, to achieve their goals.

But something else has to be understood here. Arab peoples are highly group-orientated thinkers, culturally speaking. The "I" disappears in favor of the "Us". Look at a funeral procession some time and take note how there will be 1,000 people in the street, all sobbing and wailing for the death of someone they didn't even know.

For group-minded people (something the West just doesn't have much of) what happens to one member of the group, happens to all members of the group. So, if one nation is suffering catastrophic civilian casualties because an invading force has been waging war there for 11 years, then all people in the region will feel the war is being waged against them, even if no deaths have occurred inside of their borders.

Which brings me to the original post. Why was an American citizen murdered? It's more than just savagery in their eyes. It's retaliation, small as it may be, against an over the sea enemy who dared to drop even a single bomb against people they consider their brothers.

How many Iraqi civilians were killed by the US only? No one knows. But if the US had not have invaded at all, then the answer would be ZERO. Hence, America will be blamed for every death in Iraq since 2003.

None of this is okay or ought to be given a pass. Hatred blinds all eyes. But ISIS would have no agenda against the US right now if we had not invaded Iraq. But we did, and that makes us an enemy. Automatically.

Our relationship with Israel, of course, plays a significant part, as well. But as long as we stayed on our side of the ocean, the people radical Muslims attacked and killed were Jewish people of Israel, Muslims of whatever minority view, or other ethnic groups not associated with being believers in and worshipers of, Allah. Now that we're on the ground, and have been for years, American and it's citizens in the Middle-east are targets.

The goal is terror, to scare us into leaving the country and region, and so, not be able to stop them from escalating their victories into the creation of a triumphant Caliphate.

I understand your point.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Arab people of the Middle-east, and especially Muslims, do not consider national identity the chief unifying cultural factor. It doesn't matter how many people in ISIS are actual citizens of Iraq. That isn't the rallying point.

The Rallying point for these Foreigners is to create a Caliphate as they follow their cult like leader and impose their version of Islamic Law. The Taliban did it in Afghanistan.

Their leader is claiming to be a direct descendent of Muhammed.

Iraqis will fight against Iranians and even Saudi's if necessary. They invaded Kuwait. It's not the Iraqi's that are rising up. It's a terrorist network like Al Quada that first infiltrated Syria not Iraq. They had their eyes there on a secular leader. They saw the Chaos and an opportunity. They are Opportunists

And yes, a Caliphate is the ultimate goal, and yes, it appears they will stop at nothing, unless stopped by force, to achieve their goals.

They saw an opportunity and that opportunity was not the deaths of Iraqis but the misrepresentation of Sunni's. These guys aren't fighting the US for the deaths in Iraq. They are fighting and killing other Iraqis. Sunni, Shiite, Christian and Yezedi. I don't see how you can "soften" this by saying they are angry over the deaths.

There were virtually no Americans in Syria nor Iraq.

But something else has to be understood here. Arab peoples are highly group-orientated thinkers, culturally speaking.

They aren't all Arabs. Iraqis are descendents of the Medes. Iranians of the Persians.

And need I repeat it, but this group are butchering other Muslims. Kidnapping little girls and their mothers.

The "I" disappears in favor of the "Us". Look at a funeral procession some time and take note how there will be 1,000 people in the street, all sobbing and wailing for the death of someone they didn't even know.

A Funeral procession in Iraq will consist either of Sunni or Shiites NOT BOTH. Nor does it consist of Muslims from OTHER nations.

For group-minded people (something the West just doesn't have much of) what happens to one member of the group, happens to all members of the group.

No. I think you are over reaching on Islamic Unity. It does not exist. These people have been murdering each other and still do, in wars, rapes and kidnappings...they do it to each other. They do it across borders.

So, if one nation is suffering catastrophic civilian casualties because an invading force has been waging war there for 11 years, then all people in the region will feel the war is being waged against them, even if no deaths have occurred inside of their borders.

There is no Invading force. The US has been gone for years. Most of the deaths for years have been Muslim vs Muslim. There is no "war being waged against Iraq" by any force and certainly not the US.

We still have troops in Afghanistan, why not go there instead?

Which brings me to the original post. Why was an American citizen murdered? It's more than just savagery in their eyes. It's retaliation, small as it may be, against an over the sea enemy who dared to drop even a single bomb against people they consider their brothers.

Yeah...maybe not. They beheaded Iraqis too. They beheaded Sunni, Shiite and Christians.

They beheaded Syrians before this went into Iraq. They beheaded Muslims that converted to Christianity. They are an opportunistic group of radical religions ideologues who want to start an Islamic Caliphate with the descendent of Muhammed in control

How many Iraqi civilians were killed by the US only? No one knows. But if the US had not have invaded at all, then the answer would be ZERO. Hence, America will be blamed for every death in Iraq since 2003.

The US has been gone for years and even when we were there most deaths were Muslim on Muslim deaths from car bombs and other ways.. ISIS has a funny way of striking back by waiting for the US to leave then coming in first to Syria and killing other Muslims (including those fighting against Assad, then coming into Iraq and killing other Iraqis. Sorry but Im not buying your position

None of this is okay or ought to be given a pass. Hatred blinds all eyes. But ISIS would have no agenda against the US right now if we had not invaded Iraq. But we did, and that makes us an enemy. Automatically.

ISIS did not invade the US. They invaded Iraq and are murdering other Iraqis

Our relationship with Israel, of course, plays a significant part, as well. But as long as we stayed on our side of the ocean, the people radical Muslims attacked and killed were Jewish people of Israel, Muslims of whatever minority view, or other ethnic groups not associated with being believers in and worshipers of, Allah. Now that we're on the ground, and have been for years, American and it's citizens in the Middle-east are targets.

Oh yeah...except that Iraqi's right now are begging us to come in and help...they don't care about our relationship with Israel.

The goal is terror, to scare us into leaving the country and region, and so, not be able to stop them from escalating their victories into the creation of a triumphant Caliphate.

We already LEFT Iraq. They are scaring us BACK into Iraq.

[votivesoul]

To any and all:

I'm not blaming the US.

I'm saying they are blaming the US, at least in part. There is a reason we are called the "Great Satan" among many radicalized Muslims. The US and what she stands for is believed to be anathema to all that Allah wills in the world.

There is a reason ISIS (or ISIL) has threatened to march on D.C. and bath the streets in blood. The US is an obstacle to the world-wide Caliphate.

These aren't insane people, folks, even if what they do seems insane. They are fully cognizant and aware, judicially and medically speaking, of what it is they do. They can't be written off so easily. To do so, is to not take them seriously.

And that's an even more dangerous position to take.

So while there are greater and larger geo-political reasons for all that is happening (Muslim on Muslim violence, ethnic and cultural dissonance, and etc.), the reason an American was murdered, was because of our involvement in Iraq and the whole region, over the last 11 years. We may have left some time ago, but memories in the Middle-east die hard.

For and to them, killing an American was a great victory against the "Satan" they believe has been interfering with the will of Allah in the world today.

[Jason B]

I saw a story on AOL a day or two ago, this was actually the third time since like 2010 or 11 he has been abducted. After the first time he was giving an interview at the journalism school he attended and said "its not worth your life".

He then got kidnapped in Syria and was missing for I don't know how long but the article said he was believed to be dead. Yet he eventually resurfaced as a free man (I don't remember the details).

I feel bad for him and his family , I truly do. Savagery on this level is very disturbing to me. However, I wonder just what kind of guy doesn't learn his lesson after being abducted not once but twice. Especially after Daniel Pearlman. After the first time I think I'd say I don't want to work that region again, or find a new jib. After the second time for sure. Sadly he won't get a third opportunity, but its like a guy who can't swim who keeps jumping in the water and thinks he's going to come out alive, but you jump one too many times and drown. Especially after being as close as he was to radical Islam in Syria I don't know how'd you escape that and still keep working the region.

[Abiding Now]

2011 interview of James Foley

http://video.foxnews.com/v/374003558...#sp=show-clips

[D.J.Lankford]

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Satan is working harder today than ever to corrupt God's people. Too many preachers/saints are throwing in the towel, I believe it started through the lack of prayer. Count it a privilege to be able to communicate with the King of Kings! Don't stop praying!

[n david]

The suspect in the beheading of Foley has been identified as a 23 year old British born rapper.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by n david

The suspect in the beheading of Foley has been identified as a 23 year old British born rapper.

Been wondering HOW they did that? His face was covered and he wasn't wearing a name tag.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Been wondering HOW they did that? His face was covered and he wasn't wearing a name tag.

Voice recognition techniques.
there are even shape recognition techniques (Every person's body is different)