1 Cor.12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9-- To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10-- To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body:so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I don't believe the bible explicitly says that it doesn't contradict itself, but human logic tells me if it does contradict itself than how would you be able to trust anything else it says. What may seem to be contradictions is really just a lack of understanding on our part. We may not understand all the details, but I think we must believe the word of God is infalliable.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Thanks Praxeas, I hadn't considered that verse, also using pneuma and referring to angels. That clarifies that!
But what about a scripture that tells us the Word of God must not contradict itself?
1 Cor.12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9-- To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10-- To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body:so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I don't believe the bible explicitly says that it doesn't contradict itself, but human logic tells me if it does contradict itself than how would you be able to trust anything else it says. What may seem to be contradictions is really just a lack of understanding on our part. We may not understand all the details, but I think we must believe the word of God is infalliable.
OK Sam, that has been my training as well. But why? If God's wisdom is beyond our understanding, why not? Infallible is not the same thing as contradictory. I was just wondering if there is a scripture anywhere or principle in the Word of God that tells us this, that's all.
I don't think scripture anywhere says it is infallible, it says it is profitable for instruction in righteousness, and doctrine, and is inspired by God. But that deals with those parts that fit those classifications.
I think the biggest reason we think all scripture must be infallible is our view of God and his intent for mankind.
The bible is a compilation put together by men to tell a story, that being the story of the redemption of mankind. Not a list of rules and regulations as to how to get saved.
If we look at the bible as the story of say the evolution of mankind from a state of primitiveness to the time when he is ready to be restored to fellowship with God, then is does not matter if the bible is infallible or not, we can learn from the lessons of the ages as to how we are to deal in relationship with God and our fellow man.
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If our Bible is not infallible, it is NOT fully Gods' word and we are completely wasting our time here. The day I come to that conclusion is the day I say "adios" to religion all together. (I would have to join NFS as banned)...LOL
Our responsibility is to figure out which Bible represents Gods' word and what the original teachings are it is telling us. There is only ONE true interpretation, but MANY applications.
If our Bible is not infallible, it is NOT fully Gods' word and we are completely wasting our time here. The day I come to that conclusion is the day I say "adios" to religion all together. (I would have to join NFS as banned)...LOL
Our responsibility is to figure out which Bible represents Gods' word and what the original teachings are it is telling us. There is only ONE true interpretation, but MANY applications.
Of course the original Bible was infallible, it was fully God's word.
The problem is that fallible humans beings were in charge of keeping it and passing it along.
a tiny human error here and a tiny human error there, and eventually we have a whole bunch of variations in the copying process.
we have over 5,800 Greek manuscripts, each one different from each other.
Our responsibility is to figure out which texts in those manuscripts represent best the original words. There is only ONE true original text, but many variations.
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If our Bible is not infallible, it is NOT fully Gods' word and we are completely wasting our time here. The day I come to that conclusion is the day I say "adios" to religion all together. (I would have to join NFS as banned)...LOL
Our responsibility is to figure out which Bible represents Gods' word and what the original teachings are it is telling us. There is only ONE true interpretation, but MANY applications.
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Of course the original Bible was infallible, it was fully God's word.
The problem is that fallible humans beings were in charge of keeping it and passing it along.
a tiny human error here and a tiny human error there, and eventually we have a whole bunch of variations in the copying process.
we have over 5,800 Greek manuscripts, each one different from each other.
Our responsibility is to figure out which texts in those manuscripts represent best the original words. There is only ONE true original text, but many variations.
God's word is infallible, the written word is not and never has been. We seem to think we must have God's written word perfect, word for word in order for it to be valid. Even Paul said we live by the spirit of the word not the letter.
You can say the manuscripts are different from each other, but the fact is while they may say things with different words the meaning is the same.
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Study the word with and open heart For if you do, Truth Will Prevail
God's word is infallible, the written word is not and never has been. We seem to think we must have God's written word perfect, word for word in order for it to be valid. Even Paul said we live by the spirit of the word not the letter.
You can say the manuscripts are different from each other, but the fact is while they may say things with different words the meaning is the same.
The only word we have from God IS the written word....We have thousands of witnesses(exact copies, contrary to the theory of FZW) of manuscripts (textus receptus) that VALIDATE our Bible as the word of God. We have WAY more than the 2 or 3 witnesses needed to establish it. If we did not have these texts, I would join yours and FZWs line of reasoning. Then I would go back to smokin doobies..LOL
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