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Old 07-03-2014, 07:28 PM
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Lol. I just bring it up because those who believe the world is ending soon cite more earthquakes as evidence of that. So doesnt that mean that since earthquakes remain constant that the world is not ending soon.




Just to comment to that, when Jesus said that there will be "earthquakes in divers places", that was for folks that could obviously OBSERVE these events. It could not be possible for all that would read these words of the gospels in those days to observe these earthquakes, but look at us now in THESE LAST DAYS what we have to verify the prophecies about earthquakes in various places.......


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hmm, actually, a definition of 'diverse' is 'different,' 'diverging' iow...and Colorado is not known for quakes. hmm
something like 125 countries are vocally expressing their disdain for our Federal Reserve alla sudden--maybe it's Armageddon? :O
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a very recent--geologically--rise in smaller quakes actually wouldn't surprise me; Colo has just put a hold on all fracking in some county, Weld maybe, due to increased quakes in the region http://rt.com/usa/168972-colorado-ha...er-injections/
Hats because fracking is believed to be the cause of the quakes
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well, yes, for sure--but they are a def of 'quakes in diverse places.'
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Well guys, the earthquake prophecy is more relevant to us these days than it was to His disciples in those days...if you know what I mean...






Timeline: a century of killer quakes
Updated Wed 14 Apr 2010, 2:55pm AEST

At least 296 people were killed after an earthquake struck L'Aquila in Italy.
PHOTO: At least 296 people were killed after an earthquake struck L'Aquila in Italy.
MAP: Japan
Over the past 100 years, hundreds of earthquakes have claimed tens of thousands of lives despite improvements in technology.

March 11, 2011 A massive 9-magnitude earthquake strikes off the north-east coast of Japan - the most powerful ever to strike the quake-prone country. It triggers a series of devastating tsunamis which flatten entire neighbourhoods along Japan's north-eastern coast. As a result, hundreds of people are killed.

February 22, 2011 A 6.3-magnitude earthquake strikes the New Zealand city of Christchurch, claiming at least 166 lives and devastating parts of the CBD including the iconic cathedral. At least 10,000 homes are facing demolition after the tremor, which was the second to hit the city in under six months.

February 27, 2010: A huge magnitude 8.8 earthquake strikes near the coast of south-central Chile, shaking buildings, causing blackouts and killing at least 147 people. The earthquake is estimated to have unleashed 500 times the energy of the Haiti earthquake and is one of the most powerful on record.

January 12, 2010: A 7.0 magnitude quake hits the impoverished Caribbean nation of Haiti, killing more than 200,000 people, injuring an estimated 300,000 and flattening the UN headquarters, the presidential palace among countless other buildings in the capital Port-au-Prince.

April 6, 2009: At least 296 people are killed in Italy as a powerful earthquake hits the historic central city of L'Aquila. The quake rocked the central region of Abruzzoa, flattening entire areas of some towns and made some 65,000 people homeless.

October 29, 2008: An earthquake kills up to 300 people in the Pakistani province of Balochistan. The 6.4 magnitude quake struck 70 kilometres north of Quetta.

May 12, 2008: More than 80,000 people are killed in Sichuan province in south-western China after a tremor measuring 7.8, struck near the provincial capital Chengdu.

August 15, 2007: At least 519 people are killed in Peru after a 7.90-magnitude undersea quake strikes south-east of Lima.

July 17, 2006: A 7.7-magnitude undersea earthquake triggers a tsunami that strikes a 200-kilometre stretch of the southern coast of Java, killing more than 650 people. The number of displaced people is put at nearly 70,000, as residents abandon their low-lying coastal homes in favour of hill-top sanctuaries on the Indonesian island.

May 27, 2006: More than 5,700 people die when a magnitude 6.2 quake hits the Indonesian island of Java, devastating the city of Yogyakarta and surrounding areas.

October 8, 2005: An earthquake measuring 7.6 strikes northern Pakistan and the disputed Kashmir region, killing more than 73,000 people and leaving millions homeless.

March 28, 2005: About 1,300 people are killed in an 8.7 magnitude quake off the coast of the Indonesian island of Nias, west of Sumatra.

December 26, 2004: Hundreds of thousands are killed across Asia when an earthquake measuring 9.2 triggers sea surges that spread across the region.

December 26, 2003: More than 26,000 people are killed when an earthquake destroys the historic city of Bam in southern Iran.

May 21, 2003: Algeria suffers its worst earthquake in more than two decades. More than 2,000 people die and more than 8,000 are injured in a quake felt across the sea in Spain.

May 1, 2003: At least 160 people are killed, including 83 children in a collapsed dormitory, in south-eastern Turkey.

February 24, 2003: More than 260 people die and almost 10,000 homes are destroyed in Xinjiang region, in western China.

October 31, 2002: Italy is traumatised by the loss of an entire class of children, killed in the southern village of San Giuliano di Puglia when their school building collapses on them.

January 26, 2001: An earthquake measuring magnitude 7.9 devastates much of Gujarat state in north-western India, killing nearly 20,000 people and making more than a million homeless. Bhuj and Ahmedabad are among the towns worst hit.

September 21, 1999: Taiwan is hit by a quake measuring 7.6 that kills nearly 2,500 people and causes damage to every town on the island.

August 17, 1999: An magnitude 7.4 earthquake rocks the Turkish cities of Izmit and Istanbul, leaving more than 17,000 dead and many more injured.

May 30, 1998: Northern Afghanistan is hit by a major earthquake, killing 4,000 people.

January 17, 1995: The Hyogo quake hits the city of Kobe in Japan, killing 6,430 people.

September 30, 1993: About 10,000 villagers are killed in western and southern India.

June 21, 1990: Around 40,000 people die in a tremor in the northern Iranian province of Gilan.

October 17, 1989: The Loma Prieta earthquake, measuring 6.9 on the Richter scale, hits the San Francisco Bay Area of California, killing 63 people and injuring thousands of others.

December 7, 1988: An earthquake measuring 6.9 on the Richter scale devastates north-west Armenia, killing 25,000 people.

September 19, 1985: Mexico City is shaken by a huge earthquake which razes buildings and kills 10,000 people.

July 28, 1976: The Chinese city of Tangshan is reduced to rubble in a quake that claims at least 250,000 lives.

December 23, 1972: Up to 10,000 people are killed in the Nicaraguan capital Managua by an earthquake that measures 6.5 on the Richter scale. The devastation caused by the earthquake was blamed on badly built high-rise buildings that easily collapsed.

May 31, 1970: An earthquake high in the Peruvian Andes triggers a landslide burying the town of Yungay and killing 66,000 people.

July 26, 1963: An earthquake measuring 6.9 on the Richter scale strikes the Macedonian capital of Skopje killing 1,000 and leaving 100,000 homeless.

May 22, 1960: The world's strongest recorded earthquake devastates Chile, with a reading of 9.5 on the Richter scale. A tsunami 10m high eliminates entire villages in Chile and kills 61 hundreds of miles away in Hawaii.

September 1, 1923: The Great Kanto earthquake, with its epicentre just outside Tokyo, kills 142,800 people in the Japanese capital.

January 13, 1915: The Italian town of Avezzano, in Abruzzo, is struck by a violent quake claims the lives of 30,000.

December 28, 1908: Violent earthquake shakes Italy in the southern Reggio di Calabria and Sicily, killing around 95,000.

April 18, 1906: San Francisco is hit by a series of violent shocks which last up to a minute. Between 700 and 3,000 people die either from collapsing buildings or in the subsequent fire.

Topics: earthquake, disasters-and-accidents, japan

First posted Wed 13 Jan 2010, 11:33am AEDT

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Old 07-04-2014, 02:21 AM
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We arent making logical argumets here. we are talking science and evidence. the best evidence we have to base any belief about whether there are more earthquakes or not is looking at the frequency of the larger earthquakes since the smaller ones are detected more off often and not necessarily because of their increases frequency but because more and better equipped detection stations.
Yes but He SAID the frequency of earth quakes 7.0 and greater, remains constant....

He didn't say "the frequency of earth quakes remain constant"

He said

earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

So my POINT was he seems to be limiting the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to those earth quakes that were 7.0 or greater

Did he say over all there were the same number of earth quakes?

Does the bible say there would be an increase in GREAT earth quakes?

They can detect small earth quakes too. I've sat through 2.0 earth quakes and checked online to see if they registered and they do.

I think the thinking is that the idea is there are a greater number of destructive earth quakes and that is why he says 7.0.

Im just reading your quote Jfrog. Yes it was confusing




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Hats because fracking is believed to be the cause of the quakes
Wouldn't that have been an INCREASE in quakes though?
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Well guys, the earthquake prophecy is more relevant to us these days than it was to His disciples in those days...if you know what I mean...
ya, i finally caught up to this post about 3 this morning. "Earthquakes in divers places" might have been meaningless 2000 years ago, more or less; but all of those recent ones in your list above seem like earthquake-prone areas; i would not describe them as 'divers' places? Colorado, tho...

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ya, i finally caught up to this post about 3 this morning. "Earthquakes in divers places" might have been meaningless 2000 years ago, more or less; but all of those recent ones in your list above seem like earthquake-prone areas; i would not describe them as 'divers' places? Colorado, tho...



di·vers (dvrz)
adj.
Various; several; sundry.
[Middle English; see diverse.]

Jesus just said there would be earthquakes in various places....How would the early disciples understand these spread out quakes without any means of info on them, not even a way to measure or list them. It could have taken them months to years to even hear of a single quake somewhere far away in those days. This could only be relevant to modern day believers.

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Yes but He SAID the frequency of earth quakes 7.0 and greater, remains constant....

He didn't say "the frequency of earth quakes remain constant"

He said

earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

So my POINT was he seems to be limiting the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to those earth quakes that were 7.0 or greater

Did he say over all there were the same number of earth quakes?

Does the bible say there would be an increase in GREAT earth quakes?

They can detect small earth quakes too. I've sat through 2.0 earth quakes and checked online to see if they registered and they do.

I think the thinking is that the idea is there are a greater number of destructive earth quakes and that is why he says 7.0.

Im just reading your quote Jfrog. Yes it was confusing




I don't think you get it...

1. There is no way to say for certain that earthquakes of magnitude less than 7.0 are increasing or decreasing. Why? Because we have more stations and better technology to find more earthquakes of magnitude less than 7.0. Finding more doesnt mean more are happening.

2. We know for certain that the frequency earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 and greater remains constant.

3. The only scientific inference we can make is that because larger earthquakes remain constant in frequency then smaller ones likely do as well.

4. We could be wrong but we have no better evidence to base that belief on.
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