Divine Impartation

[Sean]

Well, maybe the better way to look at it, if I may, is if we are "sinning"(besetting sins) we are not "walking in the Spirit".

When we are walkng in the Spirit, we are in communion with the Lord at the level that He requires of us.

Anything less than that is sin. And you and I know what the end result of sin is.

I dont think the Holy Spirit within us just jumps out of us when we sin, unless we become completely bound by sin.

Jesus(having the Holy Ghost himself...Luke 4:1) BECAME sin for us on the cross and was conseqentially forsaken by God before he died. Thats what sin will do if we let it "dominate" us.

The Holy Ghost may leave a backslider or it may lay dormant in a brother or sister that loves God and are miserably bound by a certain sin. The Holy Ghost within them is trying to empower them to repent and walk in the Spirit as the very reason we have it is in the first place.

That is where those good ol wonderful trials come in.

After we get the Spirit, we immediately are put into the PROCESS.

God puts us through trials, to root out the hinderances(sins) that keep us from walking in the Spirit. AND THIS PROCESS OF GOD IS RELENTLESS.
The Spirit of God will leave no stone unturned in our lives to get us exactly where He wants us to be in Him.(only if we allow Him to)


BUT can you even imagine how GLORIOUS it would be to KNOW we are in perfect communion with The Lord. If we allow the Lord to COMPLETELY take over our lives as He desires...

We will personally know what JOY UNSPEAKABLE AND FULL OF GLORY is for ourselves. ALL THE TIME.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

...And you and I know what the end result of sin is.

I dont think the Holy Spirit within us just jumps out of us when we sin...

hmm. but the argument that follows is compelling, in a way. maybe more like ones desire to reacquire the Holy Spirit--assuming that they possess this desire--leads them to rebound ("repent")...at least, i can say that i have been in that place, in sin, and not desirous of rebound at that moment, and you gotta believe that the Spirit cannot reside with any sin, period, i think. Isn't there even a verse for that? ya.

[Sean]

Well there is a fine line there. I dont think anyone knows when the Holy Ghost leaves somebody else. Only the individual in sin can know.

I do believe, just like the Holy Ghost is given to us to lead us into ALL truth, it is also given to us to help us overcome sin. It works on us every day in both categories relentlessly.

So to say, if someone is fallen into a gross sin the Spirit has left, i just dont know . I cannot say the Holy Ghost has left them, but I can say that all hell will break loose if the Holy Ghost has to start "spanking" them to get them back in the "Spirit".

In my 35 years of walking with God, I have experienced this first hand from time to time.



What has always amazed me is how fallen I realize I really am, but yet God , knowing my future failures still baptiized me with the Spirit......Now the is the definition of GRACE to me!

[houston]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, not buying it. the Spirit is received at salvation, lost in sinning, and reacquired by rebound, John 1:9. imo.

People lose the Spirit?

[Abiding Now]

Romans 1:11

For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by houston

People lose the Spirit?

Well, you'll have me searching now, but i always assumed at least that the Holy Spirit could not reside in a profaned 'temple?' Else why bother rebounding? 1 John 1:9, that is. But good Q!

[Dante]

The Holy Spirit is a spirit and is omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times. To say that the Holy Spirit can vacate a person is to undermine the power and grandeur of God.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Dante

The Holy Spirit is a spirit and is omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times. To say that the Holy Spirit can vacate a person is to undermine the power and grandeur of God.

Jesus Christ is in us, except/unless we've become reprobate. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

The moment God gives someone over to the uncleaness of a reprobate mind (See Romans 1), the Spirit of Christ departs. When a person falls so far, and they've made the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ an unholy thing, even the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, as a token of the covenant between God and the fallen is removed.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Jesus Christ is in us, except/unless we've become reprobate. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.

The moment God gives someone over to the uncleaness of a reprobate mind (See Romans 1), the Spirit of Christ departs. When a person falls so far, and they've made the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ an unholy thing, even the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, as a token of the covenant between God and the fallen is removed.

The scripture you referenced says nothing about the Holy Spirit vacating a person. Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent, or not?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Dante

The scripture you referenced says nothing about the Holy Spirit vacating a person. Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent, or not?

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. Jesus Christ is in a believer through the Spirit (and not through the flesh of the Son of Man) until or if such a person falls and is given over to a reprobate mind.

Omnipresence as you are describing would indicate that the Lord is present and within all people and things. Not so. All things are present and laid bare before the Lord is a better way of understanding omnipresence, else you have pantheism.