Are The Democrats Wanton Baby-Killers?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Luke

Aquila a woman has complete sovereignty over her body and when she chooses to participate in actions that can lead to pregnancy she by making those chocies accepts responsibility for thoses choices.

I agree to an extent. But the truth is, people often make love without the intent to have children. I believe most have, if they are honest about it.

The argument that abortion gives a woman the right control her body is ludicrous abortion is not to allow control it is to terminate.

Abortion doesn't give rights. Nor does the government. Personal sovereignty over one's person is a God given right and responsibility.

A woman does have the ability to chooses what she does to her self but not what she does to another.

Pregnancy is a unique situation. No other circumstance in nature reflects the state of being pregnant. We can't deny the personal sovereignty of a woman over her body to protect the fruit of her womb. Most would agree that this is an extremely difficult and complex issue. Do we deny a woman's personal sovereignty to protect the unborn? We'd not deny her personal sovereignty and force her to abort. We'd not force her to give birth against her will, reducing her to a "breeder". But we also don't want to deny any rights to the unborn either. Many have come to the conclusion that since this situation is so unique... the fruit of a woman's womb is hers. It is her body, her womb, her fruit. The fruit being a part of her very person. Therefore any decision involving her person be it related to health or in matters relating to life and death... are best to be hers to make. Now, this is a significant amount of power. Being a person who values life, I pray that more women would use that power for good and not for evil.

What if the aborted baby is a female you kust gave someone else the control of her body. What about her control of her own body?

An unborn child is fruit of the womb. And until born, it's a part of the mother's person.

The amuseing thing about the control issue to me is that a woman that geets an abortion is not going in to get her body ripped apart and vacumed out rather it is to get SOMEONE ELSE"S BODY ripped apart and vacumed out. In reality it is not control of her body but of someone else's body.

Many simply can't swallow the either position. Most don't like abortion. Most believe it's a terrible and tragic thing. Most also can't embrace the idea of forcing a woman to give birth against her will. So, many put the onus on individual women. Let women choose... and answer to their God.

Here is a very interesting study to look at in relation to this topic:

Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 1%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.

Yep, I've tried to say that for decades now. Socio-economic reasons. If we're so pro-life... why don't we try to address some of those socio-economic concerns? I'll tell you why... it's cheaper to just vote pro-life and support a ban. It costs money to actually address those deeper socio-economic concerns. Of course, there is a prolife group trying to address these concerns. They are the Democrats for Life of America. Mostly Catholic and Protestant Democrats who value life. They have what is known as the 95-10 Initiative. It's goal is to reduce the abortion rate 95% in 10 years, if the initiatives are signed into law.

Abortion is murder!!!!!

Yes. So is one scared solider shooting another... when both have nothing personal against one another... they were merely commanded to kill by political powers that be.

Life and death decisions are made every day. The power of life and death often rests in an individual's hands given circumstance. It's a fact of life. Having been in the military, I've been able to reconcile with that fact. This doesn't mean that ever life and death decision is right. However, the point is... we're often granted the right to make that decision for good or for bad.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should the Democrat Party in general be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should individual Democrat legislators be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should the average American who thinks that abortion should be legal at least in cases of rape and incest be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should our country be judged by God for our lack of moral courage in allowing the murder of innocent human babies?

Shouldn't abortion be outlawed because of the basic immorality of murdering human babies?


These really are serious questions.

More to come after I get some sleep.

There are some folks working on making a movie of the Gosnell murderer, google "Gosnell movie" and get the details that have been ignored by the media. He was murdering late term and newborns for forty years, and the regulators were just looking the other way.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

There are some folks working on making a movie of the Gosnell murderer, google "Gosnell movie" and get the details that have been ignored by the media. He was murdering late term and newborns for forty years, and the regulators were just looking the other way.

This link, is to the people producing the "Gosnell Movie" this movie should shake up America. An abortion mill is going to be exposed for the horror that it really is:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/g...movie#activity

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. So is one scared solider shooting another... when both have nothing personal against one another... they were merely commanded to kill by political powers that be.

You're equating abortion of a baby unable to protect itself, to a soldier in war?

Smh

[n david]

I guess JD was lying when he said he would be posting a sincere and scathing rebuke of the Democrat Party for its support of abortion.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

I guess JD was lying when he said he would be posting a sincere and scathing rebuke of the Democrat Party for its support of abortion.

I'll get to it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I'll get to it.

Oh please take your time. Were I a betting man, I'd bet you're hoping this will pass and you won't need to follow through on your pledge. I don't believe you want to talk against Obama or the Democrats. I believe you're more aligned with them than Republicans, and this is the only issue which you disagree with and you'd rather just ignore it than confront it.



Here's something to help you begin:

At the 2012 Dem Convention, the Democrats passed new language in support of abortion rights.

"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs."

Bill Clinton, while in office, said he wanted to make abortions rare. Obama and the current Democrats in Congress want to not only make abortion legal, but taxpayer paid and without ANY limits. Any time, for any reason.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Oh please take your time. Were I a betting man, I'd bet you're hoping this will pass and you won't need to follow through on your pledge. I don't believe you want to talk against Obama or the Democrats. I believe you're more aligned with them than Republicans, and this is the only issue which you disagree with and you'd rather just ignore it than confront it.



Here's something to help you begin:

At the 2012 Dem Convention, the Democrats passed new language in support of abortion rights.



Bill Clinton, while in office, said he wanted to make abortions rare. Obama and the current Democrats in Congress want to not only make abortion legal, but taxpayer paid and without ANY limits. Any time, for any reason.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I agree to an extent. But the truth is, people often make love without the intent to have children. I believe most have, if they are honest about it.

Most don't drink in order to drive while intoxicated and kill an innocent individual who had no control over weather the other person drank or not but we still consider the drunk driver a criminal regardless of their intentions


[QUOTE=Aquila;131256Abortion doesn't give rights. Nor does the government. Personal sovereignty over one's person is a God given right and responsibility. [/Quote]
If abortion isn't about a woman's rights then why do you keep saying that a woman has the RIGHT.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pregnancy is a unique situation. No other circumstance in nature reflects the state of being pregnant. We can't deny the personal sovereignty of a woman over her body to protect the fruit of her womb. Most would agree that this is an extremely difficult and complex issue. Do we deny a woman's personal sovereignty to protect the unborn? We'd not deny her personal sovereignty and force her to abort. We'd not force her to give birth against her will, reducing her to a "breeder". But we also don't want to deny any rights to the unborn either. Many have come to the conclusion that since this situation is so unique... the fruit of a woman's womb is hers. It is her body, her womb, her fruit. The fruit being a part of her very person. Therefore any decision involving her person be it related to health or in matters relating to life and death... are best to be hers to make. Now, this is a significant amount of power. Being a person who values life, I pray that more women would use that power for good and not for evil.

I agree a woman has the right to protect her child where we disagree is if she has the right to murder her child.

No woman is forced to be a breeder (an argument could be made for the .60% of rape and incest) all she has to do is choose to not fornicate or commit adultery. We are saying that it is OK to murder in order to take back a bad decision. What other area is given such an opportunity except in the case of unborn children who have no voice or choice in the matter. Why not let a murder kill the only eye witness so they do not have to face and the concequences of their choice?

Originally Posted by Aquila

An unborn child is fruit of the womb. And until born, it's a part of the mother's person.

Then what are murders who murder pregnant when charged with two counts of murder?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Many simply can't swallow the either position. Most don't like abortion. Most believe it's a terrible and tragic thing. Most also can't embrace the idea of forcing a woman to give birth against her will. So, many put the onus on individual women. Let women choose... and answer to their God.

Just as many of the german churches didn't want to get involved with standing against the slaughter of Jews by the nazis. I wonder how that worked out for them when they were judged by God? Probably as good as Pilate washing his hands of the Jews choice to crucify Jesus.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, I've tried to say that for decades now. Socio-economic reasons. If we're so pro-life... why don't we try to address some of those socio-economic concerns? I'll tell you why... it's cheaper to just vote pro-life and support a ban. It costs money to actually address those deeper socio-economic concerns. Of course, there is a prolife group trying to address these concerns. They are the Democrats for Life of America. Mostly Catholic and Protestant Democrats who value life. They have what is known as the 95-10 Initiative. It's goal is to reduce the abortion rate 95% in 10 years, if the initiatives are signed into law.

I agree cutting down on child murder by 95% is a nice goal but why not 100%

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. So is one scared solider shooting another... when both have nothing personal against one another... they were merely commanded to kill by political powers that be.

Life and death decisions are made every day. The power of life and death often rests in an individual's hands given circumstance. It's a fact of life. Having been in the military, I've been able to reconcile with that fact. This doesn't mean that ever life and death decision is right. However, the point is... we're often granted the right to make that decision for good or for bad.

Thank you for your service to our country I really do appreciate and respect all of those who make that sacrifice.

There is no comparison between two individuals fighting for their country who after having joined the military whpith the full understand of what it could lead to killing each other because of a choice to join a military and a baby who did not even have a choice in the matter being ripped up or chemically burnt in the womb then discarded as trash or used as heating fuels in hospitals.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You keep proving me right by ignoring the issue.

Would it help if there was a racial element to it? Look up the founder of Planned Parenthood, the organization which Obama and Democrats have giving millions to and have promised to protect, every step of the way. The same organization which said Obama was the greatest abortion rights President in history.

Here are quotes by Margaret Sanger, founder of Obama and the Democrat's pet organization, Planned Parenthood:

Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

Why do you continue to ignore this? Not only is it repulsive that Obama and Democrats are for any kind of abortion, any time, for any reason, but it's completely reprehensible that there is a direct link between Planned Parenthood -- which is adored by Obama and Democrats -- and racism.

Go on...chuckle away. Meanwhile Planned Parenthood continues to exterminate blacks and other minorities in poor neighborhoods, with help from funding and legislation by Obama and the Democrat Party.

Still laughing?