You Can Fake It All

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Originally Posted by ILG

...no way to say "You are in and you are out".

...you can't measure who is in the Kingdom of God.

I disagree:

The bible is very plain and emphtaic about being IN CHRIST and what the proof is to show that.

John said this:

1Jn 2:5-11 KJV But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (7) Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. (8) Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. (9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. (11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1Jn 3:18-19 KJV My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. (19) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

1Jn 3:23-24 KJV And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We KNOW we have the baptism of the HOly Ghost by speaking in tongues.

Act 10:45-46 KJV And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (46) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,


No other scripture demonstrates how the Spirit is INITIALLY evident in a person's life except this one. But the key word is INITIALLY. It is NOT a sign of ongoing presence of the Spirit. Whether people can fake it or not, it does happen when the Spirit genuinely fills a person. But again, that is not ONGOING evidence. ONLY INITIAL. A person can be removed from the Lord in heart and spirit, and still speak in tongues.

The ONGOING evidence is what John focused upon, which is the the FRUIT of the Spirit. Loving one another.

John taught that the antichrist is refusing to accept the fact that Jesus came in flesh. (No, it's not a military leader who controls the world). And when we love one another, IT MUST BE BECAUSE JESUS HAS COME INTO OUR FLESH. This is how we disprove the spirit of antichrist. If it says Jesus did not come in flesh, and yet we love each other in a way that cannot be mere human love, then it is evident GOD IS IN US. In other words, Jesus came in the flesh. THAT is proof positive that we are "IN".

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Starting to run out of dead horses to beat. I guess this is what keeps these forums going...

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Originally Posted by endtimer

Starting to run out of dead horses to beat. I guess this is what keeps these forums going...

Hey, I just got on this thread today. lol Never saw it before.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

But it wasn't truthful. It was dishonest. And it wasn't constructive, it was the very definition of bashing.

It's totally truthful and not in the least dishonest.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I disagree:

The bible is very plain and emphtaic about being IN CHRIST and what the proof is to show that.

John said this:

1Jn 2:5-11 KJV But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (7) Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. (8) Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. (9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. (11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1Jn 3:18-19 KJV My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. (19) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

1Jn 3:23-24 KJV And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We KNOW we have the baptism of the HOly Ghost by speaking in tongues.

Act 10:45-46 KJV And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (46) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,


No other scripture demonstrates how the Spirit is INITIALLY evident in a person's life except this one. But the key word is INITIALLY. It is NOT a sign of ongoing presence of the Spirit. Whether people can fake it or not, it does happen when the Spirit genuinely fills a person. But again, that is not ONGOING evidence. ONLY INITIAL. A person can be removed from the Lord in heart and spirit, and still speak in tongues.

The ONGOING evidence is what John focused upon, which is the the FRUIT of the Spirit. Loving one another.

John taught that the antichrist is refusing to accept the fact that Jesus came in flesh. (No, it's not a military leader who controls the world). And when we love one another, IT MUST BE BECAUSE JESUS HAS COME INTO OUR FLESH. This is how we disprove the spirit of antichrist. If it says Jesus did not come in flesh, and yet we love each other in a way that cannot be mere human love, then it is evident GOD IS IN US. In other words, Jesus came in the flesh. THAT is proof positive that we are "IN".

So you are able to run around and point out people and say "You and in" and "You are out" and be 100% correct?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey, I just got on this thread today. lol Never saw it before.

That's because I just started it this morning. But, anytime you get to the meat of a discussion that might touch some spots that people are uncomfortable with they start saying things about "beating dead horses" and "bashing" because it hits too close to home, I suspect. And also they are taught organizationally that any criticism about the organization is wrong and that the organization must be defended constantly. Truth stands for itself though and is self evident and needs no defending. Truth needs presenting not defending. Let the people decide.

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Originally Posted by ILG

So you are able to run around and point out people and say "You and in" and "You are out" and be 100% correct?

Are you saying John is wrong? Tell me what you get from John. It is mostly about knowing for ourselves about ourselves. Is your question about one person knowing another is "IN"?

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Originally Posted by ILG

That's because I just started it this morning. But, anytime you get to the meat of a discussion that might touch some spots that people are uncomfortable with they start saying things about "beating dead horses" and "bashing" because it hits too close to home, I suspect. And also they are taught organizationally that any criticism about the organization is wrong and that the organization must be defended constantly. Truth stands for itself though and is self evident and needs no defending. Truth needs presenting not defending. Let the people decide.

I see nothing wrong with the statement you made and challenge. But I think in all fairness, THE ISSUE is being accused of being a dead horse, since so many spoke the same thing so many times here. -- not your post.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Are you saying John is wrong? Tell me what you get from John. It is mostly about knowing for ourselves about ourselves. Is your question about one person knowing another is "IN"?

Looks to me like Johns is saying there is some circumstantial evidence that we can fruit inspect and guess where a person's spirituality lies. That doesn't eman we can run around and judge 100% whether others are in the kingdom or out as many do.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I see nothing wrong with the statement you made and challenge. But I think in all fairness, THE ISSUE is being accused of being a dead horse, since so many spoke the same thing so many times here. -- not your post.

Could be. I don't read all the posts in the forum.