Thoughts on Yahoah???

[Sean]

Ok brothers, no prob...I just wanted to put some info out there. Thanks

[Michael The Disciple]

YAH is used in the New Testament for God at least 4 times.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

How many people do you know that have ancestors that arrived in this country(not speaking English), and in 100 years, their modern family members still speak the same language "only" that their great grandparents spoke???? I know of none...

The Jews were under "domination" and scattered all over into the nations of the world powers of their day. OVER 500 YEARS. They ALL spoke Greek in the days of the messiah. They HAD to, to survive...That was the language of the ROMAN EMPIRE. Do you know one African American (descendent) living here that speaks one sentence of the African dialect? 150 years later. I do not know even one.

The Bible says "in the fullness of time...God sent forth His Son"....Why did God choose to do this when they(Jews) were occupied by Gentile powers???...Because the Jews originally had an exclusive language. it (the Hebrew language) would have left out ALL Gentiles...That is why God waited to get the "gospel" into the hands of ALL men, immediately, by having it written in the most widely known "LANGUAGE OF THE DAY"... Greek.

The writing on the cross of Jesus was written in three languages
Greek, Hebrew and Latin.

Years later when Paul was about to be killed by a crowd in Jerusalem, Paul spoke to them in Hebrew.
there are still documents of that era that were written in Hebrew and some even in Aramaic. so it is obvious that the Hebrew language was still around.

Jesus was raised in Galilee a backwater of Israel, where they definitely spoke Aramaic.

In Mexico, there are still native tribes which do not speak Spanish at all and they still have survived for hundredths of years. Of course they live in isolation, but they still have their ancient languages and traditions. Here in America I have met some of them which have a basic grasp of Spanish, but mostly speak their own native language.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

YAH is used in the New Testament for God at least 4 times.

Yah is an abbreviation of the Tetragrammaton YHWH.

If your name is Robert then an abbreviation would be Bob.
If your name was William then an abbreviation would be Will.

It is not the full name of YHWH.
Even if Yah was the correct pronunciation of the first part, then you would have to find out the pronunciation for the rest of the name.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yah is an abbreviation of the Tetragrammaton YHWH.

If your name is Robert then an abbreviation would be Bob.
If your name was William then an abbreviation would be Will.

It is not the full name of YHWH.
Even if Yah was the correct pronunciation of the first part, then you would have to find out the pronunciation for the rest of the name.

Which has been an interest of mine for a long time. I see no linguistic reason why Yahoah, as presented, is unacceptable. If someone could show me where or how the language doesn't permit such a pronunciation, I would be grateful for he info.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Which has been an interest of mine for a long time. I see no linguistic reason why Yahoah, as presented, is unacceptable. If someone could show me where or how the language doesn't permit such a pronunciation, I would be grateful for he info.

I have a table that shows over a hundredth ways that the Tetragrammaton YHWH is spelled or pronounced.

[Sean]

My point brothers is that the New Testament was not written in Hebrew(Aramaic is not Hebrew at all)...There are folks trying to claim it was, and tell us our Greek translations are full of errors and cannot be trusted. They tell us the Hebrew N.T.(that doesnt exist) is the only accurate source we have. The N.T. they use is transliterated from Greek and think it is from original Hebrew(they are told). They have been snookered by this group. Even the Old Testament was (transliterated) into Greek(Septuagint)in the days before Christ because everyone spoke Greek in the times of Christ. There are NO ancient (Hebrew) New Testament manuscripts in the world today. If they actually had at least one, they would have an argument.

I am not debating anyone but I did my research last year on this subject. I spent a lot of time debating some friends I care about that fell into this stuff. They went from running the aisles(in Pentecostal churches) to wearing strange hats and garments keeping O.T. feast days, Sabbaths, Blowing rams horns, long flowing beards(trying to look like rabbis) and trying to Keep the Law of Moses the best they can(they dont say Jesus anymore, they call Him Yashua)which they claim comes from the "Hebrew" N.T.. Every time I showed them their errors in the N.T., they would tell me the N.T. could not be trusted because our Bible is written in Hebrew. They completely excused Galatians as translator errors. They even said "Paul was wrong" when I backed them into a corner. This is just a warning to my brothers....do not try to insert "Hebrew" meanings into the New Testament...it doesnt exist.

Thanks guys for hearing me out. There is a "fascination" these days even with High Ranking ministers to get more "Jewish" in our worship. I believe this has opened the door to this trend.

[FlamingZword]

Christianity has deep Jewish roots.
all the early Christians were 100% Jews.
Our whole Bible is 100 % percent Jewish, even Luke is considered by some to have been a Jew from the diaspora.

It was later on when animosity between the Jewish and the gentile Christian split Christianity and Christianity begun to take an anti-jewish character.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yah is an abbreviation of the Tetragrammaton YHWH.

If your name is Robert then an abbreviation would be Bob.
If your name was William then an abbreviation would be Will.

It is not the full name of YHWH.
Even if Yah was the correct pronunciation of the first part, then you would have to find out the pronunciation for the rest of the name.

It does not matter that it is an abbreviation. The name YAH stands alone many places in the OT and at least 4 times in the New.

Would it be great to know the full name in exactness? Sure.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Which has been an interest of mine for a long time. I see no linguistic reason why Yahoah, as presented, is unacceptable. If someone could show me where or how the language doesn't permit such a pronunciation, I would be grateful for he info.

My interest goes back to the early 1980's. It always rang true to me that since all these things happened in a Hebrew context those involved had Hebrew names.

My understanding is that according to the Massorite Text if we go by the vowel points it would read Yehovah. Then other "experts" say the v should be sounded as a w rendering it more like Yehowah or "Yehoah". And yes I have noticed it written or spoken as such various times on the net.

Then of course comes the next group of experts to say the Massorites deliberately put the vowels that belong to Adonai into YHWH to prompt the reader to say "Adonai" instead of the name.

I DO feel it is important as an issue but certainly not to the point of it being essential to salvation.