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Old 03-11-2014, 05:47 PM
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When I started talking to OP twenty years ago they told me I needed to obey Acts 2:38. So it took awhile but I was baptized in Jesus Name and received the Holy Ghost baptism by the evidence of speaking in tongues.

But then they told me I had to believe that anyone who didn't follow Acts 2:38 was going to hell. I refused and said that anyone who wasn't obedient would answer to God.

To me it seemed they just wanted to keep adding more and more things to the "you have to this or your not saved" list. Eventually I was told that people who wear shorts go to hell to. To me that sounds ridiculous.

My point is that when something is (your strongest argument)your go to doctrine, you shouldn't have to add anything to it.
Wait..let me get this straight..they said unless you believe everyone else is going to hell you are not saved?

Wow...that's a new one to me. Never heard that. What church was this?
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:50 PM
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RJR, I know what you are saying. But my point is why add something to your go to scripture. If John 3:16 is your go to scripture, if it is your best argument for the point you are making, why would you add to it?
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Wait..let me get this straight..they said unless you believe everyone else is going to hell you are not saved?

Wow...that's a new one to me. Never heard that. What church was this?
I won't name names Praxeas. UPCI though.
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When I started talking to OP twenty years ago they told me I needed to obey Acts 2:38. So it took awhile but I was baptized in Jesus Name and received the Holy Ghost baptism by the evidence of speaking in tongues.

But then they told me I had to believe that anyone who didn't follow Acts 2:38 was going to hell. I refused and said that anyone who wasn't obedient would answer to God.

To me it seemed they just wanted to keep adding more and more things to the "you have to this or your not saved" list. Eventually I was told that people who wear shorts go to hell to. To me that sounds ridiculous.

My point is that when something is (your strongest argument)your go to doctrine, you shouldn't have to add anything to it.
True. My go to doctrine is simply trust the words of Jesus. But that's just me.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:53 PM
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Seriously, this hasn't happened to nobody else?
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RJR, I know what you are saying. But my point is why add something to your go to scripture. If John 3:16 is your go to scripture, if it is your best argument for the point you are making, why would add to it?
Why not, obedience to the word is important period? if one phrase was all that was necessary we have how many verses and chapters that are an exercise in futility. There is a reason Paul said he did not shun to declare unto them ALL the counsel of God, he wanted to be pure from the blood of all men, Acts 20:26-27. The scripture states as listed a few moments ago, it is because the received not THE LOVE of THE TRUTH, (not a love of a truth) that they might be saved, 2 Thes. 2:10.

Why put a penknife to it like they did in Jeremiah's day and act as if one part you will save while the others you do not like can be thrown into the hearth?

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But then they told me I had to believe that anyone who didn't follow Acts 2:38 was going to hell. I refused and said that anyone who wasn't obedient would answer to God.
Since 1992 I've never heard anyone in the UPCI say that you had to believe everybody who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 to the letter is going to hell.

I've heard a few say everybody who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 to the letter is going to hell, but I've never heard anyone try to require that others believe that. However, I have no doubt your story is true.
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Even though people believe that you are going to hell if you don't believe in Acts 2:38, most won't openly condemn you, but.... it is still an unspoken understanding, that unless you are apostolic/AMF/UPCI through to the bone, complete with all the standards, there is a special place in hell reserved with your name on it... although most won't go so far to say that, but they do think it, and would say so, if questioned deeper about it.
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Even though people believe that you are going to hell if you don't believe in Acts 2:38, most won't openly condemn you, but.... it is still an unspoken understanding, that unless you are apostolic/AMF/UPCI through to the bone, complete with all the standards, there is a special place in hell reserved with your name on it... although most won't go so far to say that, but they do think it, and would say so, if questioned deeper about it.
Most times "lost" gets thrown in instead of hell.

The original bible answer man tried to corner Urshan in the famous debate. I seem to remember Urshan saying that all of the UPCI literature said "lost".
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Acts 2:38 is for salvation, that is it nothing else can be added to it.

The rest are instructions written for our growth, not for our salvation.
Salvation is one thing, growth is another thing.
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