CC1 Said: "You are born of water in your natural birth and of the Spirit when you repent and accept Christ as your savior. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is subsequent to salvation and an empowerment to living for God. Now that should set off a firestorm! If it does please make it another thread since this one is strictly on water baptism at my church."
No, this statement has never been true, will never be true.
CC1 Said: "You are born of water in your natural birth and of the Spirit when you repent and accept Christ as your savior. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is subsequent to salvation and an empowerment to living for God. Now that should set off a firestorm! If it does please make it another thread since this one is strictly on water baptism at my church."
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What must one do in order to be saved?
According to the AG, this is not true.
According to the AG, this is true.
Would a better question be what has GOD done in order for anyone to be saved? I know the answer to that question.
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The baptism of the Holy Spirit is subsequent to salvation and an empowerment to living for God.
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
According to the AG, this is true.
You'll have to provide scripture to show this being true. There is no scripture showing that the Holy Ghost is "subsequent" to salvation.
And even if you quoted anything, you are trumped by Romans 8:9 "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." (NIV)
That means you are not a "son of God", you are not "adopted", you are not "saved". Receiving the Holy Ghost is a salvational issue.
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
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And even if you quoted anything, you are trumped by Romans 8:9 "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." (NIV)
That means you are not a "son of God", you are not "adopted", you are not "saved". Receiving the Holy Ghost is a salvational issue.
So, one scripture trumps another?
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