Are We Slaves To Sin?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If one's spirit has experienced regeneration through the Holy Spirit it is possible to live an entire day without sin. The problem is that if we don't keep the "mind of Christ" and "walk in the Spirit" our carnal mind will justify the desires of the flesh and we will fall prey to temptation, give in, and sin. However, having a new inner nature... we feel a greater degree of disgust for the action than one who isn't regenerated. This should lead us to confession and repentance.

If a truly born again Christian struggles with continual sin... they must learn how to take on the mind of Christ and walk in the Spirit.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

What do they mean when they say they sin every day?

There are quite a few, especially in Reformed circles, who simply believe they are sinners and whatever they do is sinful, even if they don't actually commit any sin on any particular day.

That comes from the 'inbred sin nature' teaching which says that merely being human is itself sinful, and therefore WHATEVER a person may do, it is sinful.

There is so much delusion and bondage in the world it's unreal. I think if we ever got a genuine understanding, an actual 'vision' or perception of just how much bondage and spiritual darkness there is, of how much spiritual ENSLAVEMENT there is... not merely an intellectual idea of 'yeah, there's a lot of darkness out there' but an actual REVELATION of how the ENTIRE WORLD IS CHOKING ON DARKNESS, the life and spirit of mankind, all men, SMOTHERING under the oppression of sin and delusion and ignorance... if we ever saw it like it TRULY AND REALLY IS, we'd never get off our knees, never cease weeping and crying out for mercy, we'd die of starvation because we'd do NOTHING but intercede with all we had... we'd probably die of a crushed and broken heart...

And I am amazed... because God sees it all exactly as it is...unfiltered, unadulterated, unclouded, clear and perfect vision of man's real condition...

No wonder it drove him to the cross, to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to save man...

[votivesoul]

Without the new man, who after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, is it any wonder so many professing believers remain slaves to sin?

Reminds me of a song by Sara Groves from her album The Other Side of Something. It's called "Like A Skin"

In the song, she opines, "Come on New Man, where have you been?"

So many professing believers in Messiah wallowing in un-regeneration. Sad.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Without the new man, who after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, is it any wonder so many professing believers remain slaves to sin?

Reminds me of a song by Sara Groves from her album The Other Side of Something. It's called "Like A Skin"

In the song, she opines, "Come on New Man, where have you been?"

So many professing believers in Messiah wallowing in un-regeneration. Sad.

Of course there is the obvious that some (multitudes) are tares. What is concerning is that Evangelical teaching seems to have almost entirely saturated the Pentecostal Churches.

Its hard to find believers who BELIEVE they not only can overcome sin but that they are REQUIRED to do so. God doesn't leave us any options in the matter.

[renee819]

Good Posts. I agree with all of you. If you are born again, you have the power to live free from sin. "You shall have power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you"

The problem with most of Christianity, is, they are Believers, but they are not born again, therefore they do not have the power to live above sin.

There are thousands of Believers that need to be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And there are, no doubt thousands that are filled that need to be taught that they CAN live above sin.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by renee819

Good Posts. I agree with all of you. If you are born again, you have the power to live free from sin. "You shall have power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you"

The problem with most of Christianity, is, they are Believers, but they are not born again, therefore they do not have the power to live above sin.

There are thousands of Believers that need to be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And there are, no doubt thousands that are filled that need to be taught that they CAN live above sin.

Amen sister.

You know saints must also understand their are consequences if we don't overcome sin.

First of all there is chastisement! Ouch! Yeshua says as many as he LOVES he rebukes and chastens. So if he loves someone and they actually DO commit some sin daily they would certainly be getting some beatings.

It seems like enough to where they just MIGHT stop and consider the source. Paul puts it like this:

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 1 Cor. 11:30-32

Better for Yeshua to get our attention by punishing us for the purpose of bringing our repentance than we would be cut off from him!

So chastisement is a consequence of allowing sin in our lives.

Even worse than that tho is the frightening potential that one who had actually been saved could actually be cut off from YHWH.

There is a great resistance to the truth of this consequence. Nonetheless it is all to clear if we allow the sacred words of Yeshua.

Rev. 3:1-6

1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Every saint needs to know these six verses!

High points.

1. Our works are to be perfect. When is the last time you heard that preached? Most saints may have never heard it.


2. Only a few from your Church may be found worthy. Most may have stains of sin on their garments, the result of not overcoming it.

3. If one does not overcome his name can be blotted out of the book of life! Oh friends this should cause a mighty trembling to anyone who confesses to sinning everyday!

It should also cause us all to follow the Holy Spirit's admonition to the Corinthians.

2 Cor. 71

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

In our personal lives and for the sake of those we love let us contend for the truth on this serious issue.

[renee819]

Michael wrote,

2 Cor. 71

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

In our personal lives and for the sake of those we love let us contend for the truth on this serious issue.

Do people really want TRUTH? Or are they only trying to salve their conscience?

How sad to find at the end, that the salve that they used, paved a slick path straight to damnation by false teachers, picking scriptures here and there, cherry-picking, out of context for various reasons. The pleasure of sin, fame, money, just to be contrary to the TRUTH, who knows? Some even think that they are putting forth a higher wisdom than the Word of God, or the teachings of the Apostles.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

Good Posts. I agree with all of you. If you are born again, you have the power to live free from sin. "You shall have power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you"

The problem with most of Christianity, is, they are Believers, but they are not born again, therefore they do not have the power to live above sin.

There are thousands of Believers that need to be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And there are, no doubt thousands that are filled that need to be taught that they CAN live above sin.

Amen!

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There are quite a few, especially in Reformed circles, who simply believe they are sinners and whatever they do is sinful, even if they don't actually commit any sin on any particular day.

That comes from the 'inbred sin nature' teaching which says that merely being human is itself sinful, and therefore WHATEVER a person may do, it is sinful.

There is so much delusion and bondage in the world it's unreal. I think if we ever got a genuine understanding, an actual 'vision' or perception of just how much bondage and spiritual darkness there is, of how much spiritual ENSLAVEMENT there is... not merely an intellectual idea of 'yeah, there's a lot of darkness out there' but an actual REVELATION of how the ENTIRE WORLD IS CHOKING ON DARKNESS, the life and spirit of mankind, all men, SMOTHERING under the oppression of sin and delusion and ignorance... if we ever saw it like it TRULY AND REALLY IS, we'd never get off our knees, never cease weeping and crying out for mercy, we'd die of starvation because we'd do NOTHING but intercede with all we had... we'd probably die of a crushed and broken heart...

And I am amazed... because God sees it all exactly as it is...unfiltered, unadulterated, unclouded, clear and perfect vision of man's real condition...

No wonder it drove him to the cross, to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to save man...

This is so true. Which is why those that have the truth must do everything in their power to save themselves and others.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

This is so true. Which is why those that have the truth must do everything in their power to save themselves and others.