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10-10-2013, 04:54 PM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
Who is 'Israel', according to the Bible?
"Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"
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10-10-2013, 04:54 PM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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you also need to read Galatians
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I'm assuming you mean Galatians 4, though I don't see what relevance it has to whether we should support the nation or not.
IMO, Romans 11 is more relevant:
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"For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion. He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” 27 “And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,"
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All Israel will one day be saved. In order for that to happen, Israel must survive, and we should stand by or support them.
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10-10-2013, 06:06 PM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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you also need to read Galatians
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Do you and Odooley6985 hold to replacement theology?
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10-10-2013, 06:11 PM
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Do you and Odooley6985 hold to replacement theology?
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never heard of it
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10-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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If the United states is going to give financial aid to any country on earth it should be to the nation of Israel as they are God's chosen people and God gave the promise that He would bless those that blessed them. As to them taking that land it is already thier land given to them by God. So yes i support them.
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This line of thinking is whats wrong with the whole situation.
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They didn't actually just "take land that God gave them"...Land was set aside FOR them and then the Arabs attacked. They captured land that was in Arab hands as a part of that war
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10-10-2013, 10:24 PM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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Just a questions.
I read this article today and for some reason I got mad. Israel has done other things in the past that have ignited anger. Is it un christian to get mad at Israel? Do I have to support/bless them no matter what?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...land_grab.html
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NO! NO! NO! NO!
Still, I'd never want to fight AGAINST them either.
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10-11-2013, 12:24 AM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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NO! NO! NO! NO!
Still, I'd never want to fight AGAINST them either.
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LOL
That's pretty much my thought.
Somehow I get the feeling that if all of China rose up against them, they (China) would end up losing in the end.
They certainly have their issues that I do NOT agree with, but God has a way of dealing with them in His OWN way.
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10-11-2013, 12:59 AM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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never heard of it
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A very brief nut shell cliff notes version of replacement theology is to simply point out that those who hold to this believe that the church has replaced Israel as God chosen people because Israel rejected Jesus as their Messiah. They would also believe that there is no separate eschatological plan for Israel and the church. (this separate plan has nothing to do with salvation in the sense of a separate means of being saved bit rather that all of the old testament promises made to Israel as a nation will one day be fulfilled.)
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10-11-2013, 05:29 AM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
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Originally Posted by Luke
A very brief nut shell cliff notes version of replacement theology is to simply point out that those who hold to this believe that the church has replaced Israel as God chosen people because Israel rejected Jesus as their Messiah. They would also believe that there is no separate eschatological plan for Israel and the church. (this separate plan has nothing to do with salvation in the sense of a separate means of being saved bit rather that all of the old testament promises made to Israel as a nation will one day be fulfilled.)
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Yep. It bleeds into a lot fo NT theology too. Most who believe in replacement theology also believe that every promise made to Israel in the OT transfers over to us now completely. I think that is why so many do all their preaching out of the OT to some degree.
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10-11-2013, 06:32 AM
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Re: Do you have to support Israel no matter what?
Is modern day Israel really a nation, and a people, established by God? If so, God has established an antichrist nation-people, a view which I have trouble accepting.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
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