Benghazi - NOT a "Phony" Scandal

[scotty]

Originally Posted by n david

So just let the government do whatever it wants with no consequences? No thanks. You may be okay with allowing that kind of totalitarianism, but I'm not.


I'll agree only to the point that Senators are not briefed like the President. What he said is still relevant to how he's acting today.


Snowden should be given a medal and a parade. The gov't is way over the line on the data it's collecting -- NOT from foreign terrorists -- but from it's OWN citizens. If it wasn't for Snowden, Congress wouldn't have known the extent of NSA's collection. What, you think Clapper and the other spooks are going to be honest and say what they're doing. You're incredibly naive if you think that. We found out Clapper lied to Congress, under oath, only after Snowden leaked the information.


Good grief.

Snowden is a glory hound, not a hero. The information coming from this is all over news including the actual search parameters the NSA use to find terrorist. The media is laying out the actual "keywords" we use to track terrorist communications. This is beyond stupid, it is idiotic. Now the terrorist know exactly how we find them and know how to avoid detection. Why? Because a bunch of paranoid people with tinfoil hats looking for black helicopters are playing chicken little.

First off, who in the technological world we live in today really believes we have any true privacy to begin with across the world wide web??

Second, unless your a terrorist, who is reading your stuff anyway? You think somebody is reading your "sweet nothings" to your lover? Or stealing grandmas sweet potatoe pie recipe that aunt Berta sent to you last week? Wake up, these people want terrorist, your daily life is too boring for those that deal with covert ops. Oh the arrogance, like your life matters.

But that's ok, when the next 911 happens and they say "hey look, they exploited information they found out during the Snowden affair" I don't want to hear nobody say "Obama dropped the ball". Or even worse, when they successfully attack and kill dozens of troops because they found a loophole in our intelligence.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by scotty

Snowden is a glory hound, not a hero. The information coming from this is all over news including the actual search parameters the NSA use to find terrorist. The media is laying out the actual "keywords" we use to track terrorist communications. This is beyond stupid, it is idiotic. Now the terrorist know exactly how we find them and know how to avoid detection. Why? Because a bunch of paranoid people with tinfoil hats looking for black helicopters are playing chicken little.

First off, who in the technological world we live in today really believes we have any true privacy to begin with across the world wide web??

Second, unless your a terrorist, who is reading your stuff anyway? You think somebody is reading your "sweet nothings" to your lover? Or stealing grandmas sweet potatoe pie recipe that aunt Berta sent to you last week? Wake up, these people want terrorist, your daily life is too boring for those that deal with covert ops. Oh the arrogance, like your life matters.

But that's ok, when the next 911 happens and they say "hey look, they exploited information they found out during the Snowden affair" I don't want to hear nobody say "Obama dropped the ball". Or even worse, when they successfully attack and kill dozens of troops because they found a loophole in our intelligence.

So, as long as your not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about?

I am sensing a RINO here. . . .

[n david]

Originally Posted by scotty

Snowden is a glory hound, not a hero. The information coming from this is all over news including the actual search parameters the NSA use to find terrorist. The media is laying out the actual "keywords" we use to track terrorist communications. This is beyond stupid, it is idiotic. Now the terrorist know exactly how we find them and know how to avoid detection. Why? Because a bunch of paranoid people with tinfoil hats looking for black helicopters are playing chicken little.

I haven't seen this. I'd do a google search, but then I don't want the gestapo busting down my door.

Originally Posted by scotty

First off, who in the technological world we live in today really believes we have any true privacy to begin with across the world wide web??

This is how fascism begins... While Democrats and the left tend to embrace socialism with their policies of the government being the answer to everything; Republicans and the right tend to embrace fascism by willfully surrendering civil liberties in the name of the almighty national security.

You would happily exchange one form of tyranny (terrorism) for another form of tyranny (fascism). And you claim the media is beyond stupid/idiotic?

Originally Posted by scotty

Second, unless your a terrorist, who is reading your stuff anyway? You think somebody is reading your "sweet nothings" to your lover? Or stealing grandmas sweet potatoe pie recipe that aunt Berta sent to you last week? Wake up, these people want terrorist, your daily life is too boring for those that deal with covert ops. Oh the arrogance, like your life matters.

They want terrorists? Please. They want power and control. What good did the NSA's spying do for Boston? They've even admitted there was no way they could've stopped it.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While that apparently doesn't mean anything to you, it still means something to me.

Oh the ignorance, like liberty is only a token to be bartered away.

Originally Posted by scotty

But that's ok, when the next 911 happens and they say "hey look, they exploited information they found out during the Snowden affair" I don't want to hear nobody say "Obama dropped the ball". Or even worse, when they successfully attack and kill dozens of troops because they found a loophole in our intelligence.

9/11 happened exactly because government agencies dropped the ball. It wasn't because terrorists found any loophole. The Bush administration had all the info they needed to stop the attack, but it was buried and ignored.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by n david

I haven't seen this. I'd do a google search, but then I don't want the gestapo busting down my door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...008.pdf&page=1

Still looking for black helicopters huh? Because these slides were released terrorist can now see how the system works and thus how to avoid it. Because of its secrecy we will never know how many American lives have been saved. Had they succeeded then you would be crying that Obammer wasn't doing enough to protect us.

Originally Posted by n david

They want terrorists? Please. They want power and control. What good did the NSA's spying do for Boston? They've even admitted there was no way they could've stopped it.

Good point, why didn't they stop Boston before it started? After all they are spying on Americans , right? So then why did the system fail to stop two Americans if it is spying on Americans? Don't make much sense does it.

Originally Posted by n david

9/11 happened exactly because government agencies dropped the ball. It wasn't because terrorists found any loophole. The Bush administration had all the info they needed to stop the attack, but it was buried and ignored.

911 is a thing of the past. My reference to it was more so on a scale of that attack. But its coming.

While I don't believe honest, hard working Americans have anything to fear from this system at the moment, I do believe there will come a day when this same system could easily be used in the latter days to persicute christians around the world. Just change the search parameters.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

So, as long as your not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about?

I am sensing a RINO here. . . .

What could you possibly be worried about? You are always letting the world know where you stand, what arsenal you have, etc.

You have never seemed like the "chicken little" kind.

[n david]

Originally Posted by scotty

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...008.pdf&page=1

Still looking for black helicopters huh? Because these slides were released terrorist can now see how the system works and thus how to avoid it. Because of its secrecy we will never know how many American lives have been saved. Had they succeeded then you would be crying that Obammer wasn't doing enough to protect us.

1) You said the media put this information out there. Wikipedia is NOT the media.
2) You said there were "actual keywords" exposed. There are no "actual keywords" in the Wiki presentation you gave a link to.
3) It's completely generic and hardly releases any damaging information. It's also from 2008. Pretty sure they've already changed the way they gather the info. But I did learn they use XKeyscore to look for "someon searching for suspicious stuff." Wow! Now THAT is damaging!
4) It's redacted. There are 3 pages completely blacked out.

As for the "success stories," I need to find the article that was published stating the NSA stats for capturing terrorists include innocent people, like the couple who were jointly searching - one for a backpack, the other for a pressure cooker. They cook the numbers to include innocent people just to make it look like it's working.

Originally Posted by scotty

Good point, why didn't they stop Boston before it started? After all they are spying on Americans, right? So then why did the system fail to stop two Americans if it is spying on Americans? Don't make much sense does it.

Congressional hearings, and the Snowden leaks proved they used Verizon and other cell companies, along with internet companies. I didn't make it up, they admitted they're spying on Americans.

Originally Posted by scotty

911 is a thing of the past. My reference to it was more so on a scale of that attack. But its coming.

While I don't believe honest, hard working Americans have anything to fear from this system at the moment, I do believe there will come a day when this same system could easily be used in the latter days to persicute christians around the world. Just change the search parameters.

Makes absolutely no sense. You acknowledge the program can be used in a sinister and evil way....but for now, you're willing to be ignorant and happy to give away your liberty to a program that you say could be used to kill you one day.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by n david

1) You said the media put this information out there. Wikipedia is NOT the media.
2) You said there were "actual keywords" exposed. There are no "actual keywords" in the Wiki presentation you gave a link to.
3) It's completely generic and hardly releases any damaging information. It's also from 2008. Pretty sure they've already changed the way they gather the info. But I did learn they use XKeyscore to look for "someon searching for suspicious stuff." Wow! Now THAT is damaging!
4) It's redacted. There are 3 pages completely blacked out.

Yes the media did put this out there, I stopped dead in my tracks in the middle of the living room because it came up on a segment of Fox News. They had a little more detailed information. The wiki article was the quickest link I could find. (surely this is not the best response you could give, just because its wiki.)

Originally Posted by n david

As for the "success stories," I need to find the article that was published stating the NSA stats for capturing terrorists include innocent people, like the couple who were jointly searching - one for a backpack, the other for a pressure cooker. They cook the numbers to include innocent people just to make it look like it's working.

And I admit this is the sad part of this, you don't know what to believe. They very well can cook the numbers which makes it hard to tell what terrorist activities have been averted. Or which ones are not even listed. Truth is, you don't any more of the truth than I or anyone else does.

Originally Posted by n david

Congressional hearings, and the Snowden leaks proved they used Verizon and other cell companies, along with internet companies. I didn't make it up, they admitted they're spying on Americans.

So which is it? They don't care about the typcial American? Or they are spying on Americans and failed to catch the Boston pair? Either way then you have to ask what your worried about?

Makes absolutely no sense. You acknowledge the program can be used in a sinister and evil way....but for now, you're willing to be ignorant and happy to give away your liberty to a program that you say could be used to kill you one day.

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You keep bringing up "liberty" , what liberty do you have that your giving up exactly? How much more "ignorant" is it to believe that you have some sort of "privacy" in the technological world we live in?

[Pressing-On]

Hearing today - 8:30 CT

Reviews of the Benghazi Attack and Unanswered Questions

http://oversight.house.gov/hearing/r...red-questions/

The House Oversight Committee will hold a hearing Thursday on Capitol Hill to go over a lack of accountability for senior officials in the State Department after the 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi which left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ittee-n1704323

[Pressing-On]

House Oversight Cmte. Questions Report on Benghazi Attack

http://www.c-span.org/Events/House-O...10737441538-1/

[Jermyn Davidson]

I can't help but see most of this as a political charade.